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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Some men you just can’t reach

Some coaches can’t reach anyone

Whether we have either of those issues is, in my opinion, unknowable from where any of us sit. We’ve seen stuff get fixed before. We’ve also seen years where problems persisted to the bitter end. Sometimes the issues are masked by overmatched opponents. This year, for better or worse, the upcoming opponents at least have sufficient skill that we’ll see whether the problems are getting addressed.
As we approach the midpoint of the season I would remind everybody that… We are approaching the midpoint of the season. How the hell did that happen so quickly? Sidebar: enjoy this while we have it because it’s almost half way over.

Anyway, I question how much improvement we will really see from this point forward. While I might expect to see some limited improvement, I’m not anticipating any radical improvement from here on in.
 
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As we approach the midpoint of the season I would remind everybody that… We are approaching the midpoint of the season. How the hell did that happen so quickly? Sidebar: enjoy this while we have it because it’s almost half way over.

Anyway, I question how much improvement we will really see from this point forward. While I might expect to see some limited improvement, I’m not anticipating any radical improvement from here on in.
I think that generally the defense is the unit that can improve most over the course of a season. Even those great Tressel era defenses showed improvement over the course of the whole season.
 
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The good thing is I think we've already gotten past the 2 teams that were going to give us the most issue (TCU & State Penn) Sparty and scUM are the 2 best teams we have left in the regular season

They both kind of play into the hands of this defense.

A good mobile QB/RPOs/Quick Hitters into open space/Speed Spread Run Game seem to be what kills this defense so far.

Sparty and scUM are more power run games, with more emphasis on a more proish style passing game. (Same with Wisconsin in the hypothetical B1G title game)

scUMs TEs might give our safeties/LBers issues but not really worried about their running game or WRs at this point.
 
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The Cinci game that saw the Buckeyes get gashed several times in 2014 was on September 27 iirc. So it can be done.

It’s just not common
The 2014 OSU defense didn't really get their house in order until the postseason, although the run defense was the main culprit late in the season. In November, they gave up 137 yards to Jeremy Langford (7.6 ypc), 145 to David Cobb (5.4), 228 to Tevin Coleman (8.4), and 74 to Drake Johnson(!) (4.9). After that string of bad rushing defense performances, it was borderline shocking to see them crush Melvin Gordon and the Badger O-line in December.
 
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The 2014 OSU defense didn't really get their house in order until the postseason, although the run defense was the main culprit late in the season. In November, they gave up 137 yards to Jeremy Langford (7.6 ypc), 145 to David Cobb (5.4), 228 to Tevin Coleman (8.4), and 74 to Drake Johnson(!) (4.9). After that string of bad rushing defense performances, it was borderline shocking to see them crush Melvin Gordon and the Badger O-line in December.

Sadly, it may well have been the death of a teammate that inspired that defense. Michael Bennett in particular seemed to play like a man possessed.
 
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Pryor flashes at safety, then shows his youth. It's crucial to separate his play from Wint's.

Agreed. To be honest, when I rewatched the PSU game, I was surprised at how Pryor played very well on a number of plays. The problem is, his mistakes--particularly his inability to take a good angle and his tendency to take a 20-yard gain and turn it into a 90+ yard TD--are just awful. On the long PSU TD, I really think Wade would've caught up with the WR and tackled him, but not only did Pryor take himself out of the play with his bad angle, but he also had the effect of blocking Wade and preventing him from making the play. He also took a bad angle on the long TCU run, and on one of the long Oregon State runs.

That's one 80-yard TD run, and two 90+ yard TDs, all given up because of Pryor's taking poor angles. As much promise as he shows, he has to correct this.
 
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Agreed. To be honest, when I rewatched the PSU game, I was surprised at how Pryor played very well on a number of plays. The problem is, his mistakes--particularly his inability to take a good angle and his tendency to take a 20-yard gain and turn it into a 90+ yard TD--are just awful. On the long PSU TD, I really think Wade would've caught up with the WR and tackled him, but not only did Pryor take himself out of the play with his bad angle, but he also had the effect of blocking Wade and preventing him from making the play. He also took a bad angle on the long TCU run, and on one of the long Oregon State runs.

That's one 80-yard TD run, and two 90+ yard TDs, all given up because of Pryor's taking poor angles. As much promise as he shows, he has to correct this.
Which he's shown a willingness to hit so why they dont switch his and Jordan's position is beyond me.

Let Fuller be center field and let Pryor drop in the box. What is so hard about this? Besides Fuller played center field last year and was tremendous at it.

I'm ok with Pryor playing but him being the last line of defense? Absolutely not.

I heard today if you take away the 5 real long plays we are top 10 when it comes to yards per play against. You have someone responsible for 3 of the 5 so get him some help. Pryor can't have the best confidence right now either so help him out.
 
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The good thing is I think we've already gotten past the 2 teams that were going to give us the most issue (TCU & State Penn) Sparty and scUM are the 2 best teams we have left in the regular season

They both kind of play into the hands of this defense.

A good mobile QB/RPOs/Quick Hitters into open space/Speed Spread Run Game seem to be what kills this defense so far.

Sparty and scUM are more power run games, with more emphasis on a more proish style passing game. (Same with Wisconsin in the hypothetical B1G title game)

scUMs TEs might give our safeties/LBers issues but not really worried about their running game or WRs at this point.


Not to get off track but you need to go watch Sparty play. They haven't been able to run for 2-3 years and can't run again this year. They are a dink and dunk pass first team with a quietly capable running QB.

Having not seen a snap of Minny play I'd say IU, Purdue, Nebby, Maryland all run the same kind of offense the OSU D has seen from TCU, Tulane and PSU (QB focused with some option elements).

MSU is a weird offense but as described.

tsun has that FB/TE centered offense like Iowa, Wisky etc.
 
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Not to get off track but you need to go watch Sparty play. They haven't been able to run for 2-3 years and can't run again this year. They are a dink and dunk pass first team with a quietly capable running QB.

Having not seen a snap of Minny play I'd say IU, Purdue, Nebby, Maryland all run the same kind of offense the OSU D has seen from TCU, Tulane and PSU (QB focused with some option elements).

MSU is a weird offense but as described.

tsun has that FB/TE centered offense like Iowa, Wisky etc.

The 2 times i've seen MSU this year it wasnt very pretty. The ASU game and the CMU game last week. Their offense just doesnt look like anything that worries. Yea we might give up a big play or 2, but dont see them being able to sustain enough for the whole game to outscore us.
 
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The 2 times i've seen MSU this year it wasnt very pretty. The ASU game and the CMU game last week. Their offense just doesnt look like anything that worries. Yea we might give up a big play or 2, but dont see them being able to sustain enough for the whole game to outscore us.
Sparty has been a thorn in our side enough to never count them out. Every year except last year I’ve never taken them too seriously. Who knew the only year I’d be scared to death of playing them was the only year we pummeled them into oblivion.
 
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After thinking about their HS careers, and realizing that they haven’t been in college for very long, and this is thei first year of actual PT in college, it honestly shouldn’t be too surprising that Pryor and Wint are struggling. We took a kid who was more known as an enforcer in the defensive backfield (best comparison imo is Adam Archuleta) and hardly was in coverage, and could use his athleticism to make up for discrepancies in HS(not so much in college) as he has had lacking fundamentals of being a cover DB. And then we also took a kid who only played LB throughout his entire HS(and before) career, and was more known for hitting and blitzing than he ever was for covering and pursuing, and is at best a special teams player as he’s a tweener on defense(not fast enough for S and not big enough for LB). Pryor and Wint are in essence, what we thought they were(to quote Coach Green), 2 guys who have no true position and are both playing out of position in college. The fact that they are our best options may say a lot about our lack of depth at S. Moving them closer to the line and Fuller as center fielder is a great idea, but the problem still persists, that neither of these 2 can cover in space, and a quick slot/HB can make them pay big time. I can see putting Wade, or even Arnette back at S in obvious passing situations and having Okudah and Sheffield on the outside.
 
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OHIO STATE NOTEBOOK: URBAN MEYER DECRIES TEAM'S DEPTH, DWAYNE HASKINS PROGRESSES IN HAPPY VALLEY AND "THE FUTURE" AT DEFENSIVE END

THE "FUTURE” AT DEFENSIVE END

Chase Young played 76 snaps against Penn State. No defensive end had played that many either this season or last season. Part of his high snap count was due to the Buckeyes missing Nick Bosa, who remains out until at least November with a core muscle injury. But that’s not the only reason for his increased playing time.

Ohio State simply didn’t have other players defensive line coach Larry Johnson felt comfortable trotting out behind Jonathon Cooper, Jashon Cornell and Young, a trio of veterans.

Johnson has a policy to avoid thrusting freshmen into games during their first years on the team. That kept Tyreke Smith and Tyler Friday from playing too much, though Smith played in the third-down Rushmen package. Smith had eight snaps and Friday saw two snaps.

“When they get in a game like that, it's tight, you don't want to put any freshmen in harm's way. I'm really a big believer in that,” Johnson said. “You don't put a freshman in a game where he has a chance to make a mistake that may cost a big play, and that lives with them. That's kind of my philosophy. I don't do that. I wanted to make sure we had a chance to control the game. I made sure we rotated enough and stayed fresh and let the guys in the game that needed to play.”

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Though Smith and Friday won’t see much time on the field outside of snaps in blowouts and against teams Ohio State should handle, Johnson views them as important cogs in the unit’s future.

“They're growing,” Johnson said. “Tyreke played probably about 15-20 plays in that game. He was in our third-down package, so he was on the field playing as a true freshman. Tyler Friday went in that game a little bit.

“I think those two guys are our future. I think they're doing a great job right now.”

With Bosa assuredly leaving for the NFL at the end of the season, there will be ample opportunities for Smith and Friday to factor more into next season’s game plans.

Smith, who multiple assistant coaches have noted his immediate readiness for college football, was the No. 34 overall prospect in his class, and Friday ranked No. 93 overall. Friday played offensive line in high school, but Johnson said he always viewed the freshman as a defensive lineman who has the potential to become a “really good defensive end.”

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ne-haskins-progresses-in-happy-valley-and-the
 
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We have sophomores at other positions making mistakes that could have conceivably cost us a game. I guess why amplify that sentiment with freshmen up front?

I also feel it’s possible your assumption they’ll likely make a mistake could be more damaging to their confidence than the actual mistake itself.

He’s one of the best position coaches in the country so I’m not going to spend much time questioning or over analyzing like I do with everything else. *shrugs*
 
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