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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

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SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE'S DEFENSIVE LINE BETTER THAN CLEMSON, DWAYNE HASKINS PASSING OUTSIDE, AND CONFERENCE PRIDE

BETTER THAN CLEMSON? I've always said that any other season, this Buckeye defensive line would be hands down the best in the country, but Clemson and their four horsemen of the apocalypse hold that crown.

I might walk that back a bit.

After watching both, I'm not sure I'd trade Ohio State's defensive line for Clemson's, as absurd as that sounds. I think as individuals, Clemson's linemen might be more talented across the board, but as a unit Ohio State's has just looked more effective.

And the folks over at Pro Football Focus with their numbers and analysis agree with that take, at least so far.



I'm throwing an extreme FWIW in here, because comparing Ohio State's performance against Rutgers to Clemson's against Texas A&M just ain't fair, but the Buckeyes seem to dominate the point of attack every play – inside and out – and Clemson's couldn't seem to get pressure on Texas A&M's Kellen Mond when it mattered most, allowing him to throw for 430 yards and three scores on Saturday.

And then there's this absurdity:





I don't know. I guess all else equal, it's hard to turn down the defensive line that includes what might be the most dominant college football player my eyes have ever seen.

I'm riding with Larry Johnson's boys until they give me reason not to.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...throw-sidelines-accurate-conference-pride-nfl
 
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MaxBuck said:
Great pass rush, but look at who's ranked #3.
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Will definitely be a big test for our OL on Saturday. But really looking forward to seeing how our DL does against TCU...it's obvious that our DL is incredibly talented and deep, but I need to see it against better competition before I completely chug the kool-aid.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Great pass rush, but look at who's ranked #3.
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Idk if that means much, they’ve played a weaker schedule than us so far(a 1AA team and a team that hasn’t been relevant since the 80s). At least OSU has played 2 Power 5 teams from major conferences. Heck, even though he was a frosh, Sitkowski was a former starting QB for IMG and Artavis Pierce was a former 3stsr RB who in one half last Saturday had 91yds and a TD before leaving injured
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I re-watched the Rutgers game.

OSU LB's still scare me. Run fits are inconsistent at best. DL masks a lot of mistakes.

Fuller makes a huge difference. He stopped what would have been another one of those 85+ yard runs for about 7 on the second drive for Rutgers (LB's all caught up in the wash inside).
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Mostly Browning's fits. I'm rewatching it again today. BB did an exceptional job taking up blocks and Browning consistently was impatient and filled the wrong hole. When he hits it right, it is a thing of beauty to behold but when he misses, the RB/QB is out the gate because we're usually in man to man defense. That is why we consider the LB unit the weak link right now and it's not fair to Werner or Hairston who've played great.

More Hilliard I think until Baron settles himself. Hilliard has a knack of nailing the hole and really becoming a weapon in the opponents backfield. I'd like to see more of that. Tuf at 100% makes a huge difference too but the rest of our D is lights out right now. Let's see it tomorrow night!
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Mostly Browning's fits. I'm rewatching it again today. BB did an exceptional job taking up blocks and Browning consistently was impatient and filled the wrong hole. When he hits it right, it is a thing of beauty to behold but when he misses, the RB/QB is out the gate because we're usually in man to man defense. That is why we consider the LB unit the weak link right now and it's not fair to Werner or Hairston who've played great.

More Hilliard I think until Baron settles himself. Hilliard has a knack of nailing the hole and really becoming a weapon in the opponents backfield. I'd like to see more of that. Tuf at 100% makes a huge difference too but the rest of our D is lights out right now. Let's see it tomorrow night!
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I've seen Werner miss his fair share of assignments and gaps these first two weeks as well. I wouldn't classify his play so far as "great".
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Mostly Browning's fits. I'm rewatching it again today. BB did an exceptional job taking up blocks and Browning consistently was impatient and filled the wrong hole. When he hits it right, it is a thing of beauty to behold but when he misses, the RB/QB is out the gate because we're usually in man to man defense. That is why we consider the LB unit the weak link right now and it's not fair to Werner or Hairston who've played great.

More Hilliard I think until Baron settles himself. Hilliard has a knack of nailing the hole and really becoming a weapon in the opponents backfield. I'd like to see more of that. Tuf at 100% makes a huge difference too but the rest of our D is lights out right now. Let's see it tomorrow night!
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Agree 100% Barron is a liability at this point.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Billy Davis still hasn’t got it ..these aren’t Pros yet. He needs to teach basic LB play not PHD material. Browning is overthinking.
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OhioState001 said:
So Davis is the new Beck
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FWIW, here's one writer's take.....

Column: Ohio State has a Bill Davis problem

Poor hires have hampered Ohio State football for the entire Urban Meyer era

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There’s a problem in Ohio State football’s football program that we need to talk about. It’s been an issue for the entire Urban Meyer era, and somehow, to this point, the head coach has faced very little complaining about it. Urban Meyer stinks at hiring coaches, and his bad hires have actively made Ohio State worse every year since 2012.

Admittedly, Meyer has also made some home run hires as well, including Larry Johnson, Greg Schiano, Kerry Coombs, Chris Ash, Tom Herman, and more recently Ryan Day and Alex Grinch.

The first real instance of this was former co-defensive coordinator Everett Withers, who was eventually encouraged to take a job elsewhere after putting together one of the worst secondaries that Ohio State had ever seen in both 2012 and 2013. After him, Ohio State had issues with Tim Beck and Ed Warriner, and those issues more likely than not kept the most talented team in school history out of the playoff in 2015.

More recently, offensive line coach Greg Studrawa has deservedly picked up some heat, both for his bungled recruitments of top in-state linemen, as well as some poor on the field play. That poor play includes the struggles in tonight’s win against TCU, in which the offensive line struggled greatly against the blitz, and formerly awesome guard, Michael Jordan, who for some reason was turned into a center, failed to consistently snap the ball accurately.

The ultimate in bad hires that hurt the Buckeyes is obviously Zach Smith, the worst living receivers coach, and a deeply bad person (that’s a different story entirely though). Ohio State’s receiver play was awful for years, and yet Urban Meyer stuck by his coach, for no reason outside of his relationship with Zach’s grandfather, Earle Bruce. To follow that train wreck with a 31 year old Brian Hartline that has absolutely no coaching experience seems like a bad idea too, though we can’t say that for sure yet. The Smith debacle obviously didn’t give them much time for a coaching search.

The biggest issue this season is none of those hires, however. In that long list of awful hires, the worst was not named. The worst hire of Urban Meyer’s tenure at Ohio State, and possibly in his whole career, is the current acting linebackers coach, Bill Davis. To replace Luke Fickell, one of the best linebacker coaches in the country (at the time), Urban Meyer hired an NFL burnout that failed in Philadelphia, an NFL burnout that even the Browns (!!!!!) didn’t want.

Why? Well because Bill Davis is one of Urban’s best friends, and has been for decades. He was the best man at Urban’s wedding. Urban Meyer, one of the best coaches in the country, at probably the second best football program in the country, hired one of his ten position coaches not because of performance, or recruiting (which Davis had never done at this level), but because they’re friends.

For a coach that makes more than seven million dollars a year, a decision that poor and shallow is completely unacceptable, and borderline neglectful of his duties as the head coach of this program. Urban Meyer’s job is not to hire close friends for him to hang out with. Urban Meyer’s job is to hire elite position coaches and coordinators, to put Ohio State in the best possible position to win. It was obvious today, and it’s been obvious since he was hired that Bill Davis is not that guy.

Entire article: https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...-was-urban-meyers-best-man-people-forget-that
 
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Davis sucks ass. I said it early last year. The LBs are not prepared. When you see LBs having a hard time lining up, then Houston we have a Fucking problem. The LBs are in charge of lining EVERYONE else up, so WHY THE FUCK CANT YOU LINE UP YOUR DAMN SELF?

Serious Serious Serious problem. The LB s are not being prepared. They are talented. It is the coach. He made Baker look like a fool after Fick made him look like a top two rounder.
 
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Hstead said:
Davis sucks ass. I said it early last year. The LBs are not prepared. When you see LBs having a hard time lining up, then Houston we have a Fucking problem. The LBs are in charge of lining EVERYONE else up, so WHY THE FUCK CANT YOU LINE UP YOUR DAMN SELF?

Serious Serious Serious problem. The LB s are not being prepared. They are talented. It is the coach. He made Baker look like a fool after Fick made him look like a top two rounder.
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Yes but that article has some big errors as well. The coaching staff is worse then 2012? The oline was bad last night? They allowed one sack to a team that was repeatedly bringing the house. Yes the snap issue needs fixed but the oline wasn't close to being bad.

LB's have become an issue though. They don't play fundamentally sound football.
 
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