2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

[Systems_id]

SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE'S DEFENSIVE LINE BETTER THAN CLEMSON, DWAYNE HASKINS PASSING OUTSIDE, AND CONFERENCE PRIDE

BETTER THAN CLEMSON? I've always said that any other season, this Buckeye defensive line would be hands down the best in the country, but Clemson and their four horsemen of the apocalypse hold that crown.

I might walk that back a bit.

After watching both, I'm not sure I'd trade Ohio State's defensive line for Clemson's, as absurd as that sounds. I think as individuals, Clemson's linemen might be more talented across the board, but as a unit Ohio State's has just looked more effective.

And the folks over at Pro Football Focus with their numbers and analysis agree with that take, at least so far.



I'm throwing an extreme FWIW in here, because comparing Ohio State's performance against Rutgers to Clemson's against Texas A&M just ain't fair, but the Buckeyes seem to dominate the point of attack every play – inside and out – and Clemson's couldn't seem to get pressure on Texas A&M's Kellen Mond when it mattered most, allowing him to throw for 430 yards and three scores on Saturday.

And then there's this absurdity:





I don't know. I guess all else equal, it's hard to turn down the defensive line that includes what might be the most dominant college football player my eyes have ever seen.

I'm riding with Larry Johnson's boys until they give me reason not to.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...throw-sidelines-accurate-conference-pride-nfl

Definitely better than Clemson's. Damn near won the game on their own. Arguably better than the d-line last year.

Also, I disagree that Urban is bad at hiring coaches. More often than not he gets it right. It's just that when he gets it wrong, he gets it REAAAAALLLLY wrong.

 

[OhioState001]

I didn't realize Davis and Meyer were so close. Guess we can kiss any chance of him getting fired goodbye

 

[OhioState001]

Definitely better than Clemson's. Damn near won the game on their own. Arguably better than the d-line last year.

Also, I disagree that Urban is bad at hiring coaches. More often than not he gets it right. It's just that when he gets it wrong, he gets it REAAAAALLLLY wrong.

Also when we are having so much turnover in coaching it becomes nearly impossible to hit a home run everytime

 

[Hstead]

Also when we are having so much turnover in coaching it becomes nearly impossible to hit a home run everytime

Obviously Urban has made WAY more home run hires than flops. Warriner was actually a great OL coach. Studs is doing just fine. LJ, Schiano, Grinch, Day, Fick, Alford, Wilson, the list goes on and on of great coaches we have had. But Beck and Davis are so damn bad it is hard to remember the other 12 great hires. And then there is ZS.

 

[Systems_id]

I didn't realize Davis and Meyer were so close. Guess we can kiss any chance of him getting fired goodbye

I don't think he's getting fired but I can see him being "encouraged" to move on next year like Withers.

 

[Systems_id]

Also, for the all the bitching we're doing about the defense, they did hold a relatively good TCU offense to 28 points. Remember when a championship 2014 OSU team let Cincy throw for over 400 yards and 28 points?

 

[ScriptOhio]

Buckeye Defensive Line Stepped Up in Nick Bosa’s Absence

Dallas — Through three games this season, Ohio State junior defensive end Nick Bosa can make a strong argument that he is the best player in college football.

A dominating defender, Bosa is equally as devastating against the rush or the pass. Offenses scheme entire game plans around him because if they don’t, they will have wasted their whole week of game prep.

Against TCU Saturday night, Bosa made his impact early with a strip sack that led to a Davon Hamilton touchdown for the Buckeyes.

Before the first half was over, however, Bosa left the game with a lower abdominal injury.

Losing the best player in the game is no way to go into the half, especially trailing 14-13. Things got even worse when the Horned Frogs scored a touchdown early in the third quarter to make it 21-13.

With the game tilting TCU’s way, the Ohio State defensive line had work to do, and so that’s exactly what they did.

“We lost Nick. It was a little bit of a wake-up call because we lost our best guy,” said defensive tackle Dre’Mont Jones.

“So we had to go out there and play. I mean, there’s no one to rely on. We’ve got to rely on ourselves. We’ve got to rely on each other. I think tonight, after a hard first half, we did.”

Urban Meyer has preached the “next man up” mantra since he arrived. The team is as deep as it has ever been now, which is why the mantra carries more depth as well.

“Honestly, one thing we really preach around our team is that when one person goes down, it’s the next man up,” said nose tackle Robert Landers.

“Yeah, it sucks that he got hurt, but we had to move forward and worry about the game at hand. It was one of those things where we did lose a very big key player, but we knew we had to pick it up a little bit.”

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/09/buckeye-defensive-line-stepped/

 

[pnuts34]

I don't think he's getting fired but I can see him being "encouraged" to move on next year like Withers.

Wasn't a coach "encouraged" to give up the TE reins to Wilson?

Obviously Urban has made WAY more home run hires than flops. Warriner was actually a great OL coach. Studs is doing just fine. LJ, Schiano, Grinch, Day, Fick, Alford, Wilson, the list goes on and on of great coaches we have had. But Beck and Davis are so damn bad it is hard to remember the other 12 great hires. And then there is ZS.

Don't forget Drayton, and also the most important "coach" of them all, Mariotti

 

[MaxBuck]

The oline was bad last night? They allowed one sack to a team that was repeatedly bringing the house.

I'm not saying the o-line was bad (I think they played OK, and aside from the low snaps Mike Jordan was exceptional). But the one sack is as much a credit to Haskins's great vision, combined with his unbelievably fast diagnosis and release, as to the efforts of the line. He was able to get rid of some ducks in harmless locations that saved boatloads of sack yardage.

 

[buckeyemania11]

It's a good thing TCU's QB is not very accurate at all with the deep ball because there were definitely more than a few times someone had gotten pretty open and he just straight up missed.

What's with all the awful angles by the Safties and LBers. Surely this can be corrected? Or it's gonna end up costing big time at some point this season.

 

[pnuts34]

It's a good thing TCU's QB is not very accurate at all with the deep ball because there were definitely more than a few times someone had gotten pretty open and he just straight up missed.

What's with all the awful angles by the Safties and LBers. Surely this can be corrected? Or it's gonna end up costing big time at some point this season.

Pryor took a terrible angle on the long TD run, he's just young and inexperienced, even with all the HS stars, we should've expected some growing pains. Same with Browning and Werner. Borland, for how good he is, is still more of a run stopper, and is almost a liability in space against spread type teams like TCU(which I'm sure that we all knew). Lucky for us, IDK of any other teams with this style and have as much team speed(Ped St could be the closest). This defense should feast next week, and especially the 3 game stretch after Ped St.

 

[bukIpower]

Also, for the all the bitching we're doing about the defense, they did hold a relatively good TCU offense to 28 points. Remember when a championship 2014 OSU team let Cincy throw for over 400 yards and 28 points?

Plus Tevin Coleman ripped our defense, Conor Cook went for 300 passing, and gardner threw for 240 with 28 points.

This defense has a higher ceiling than that 2014 squad. Right now IMO if we just put Wade at safety we are about all shored up.

To me it's a crime that Wade is a part time player while Pryor/Wint take up snaps. Get your best players on the field period.

 

[bukIpower]

Pryor took a terrible angle on the long TD run, he's just young and inexperienced, even with all the HS stars, we should've expected some growing pains. Same with Browning and Werner. Borland, for how good he is, is still more of a run stopper, and is almost a liability in space against spread type teams like TCU(which I'm sure that we all knew). Lucky for us, IDK of any other teams with this style and have as much team speed(Ped St could be the closest). This defense should feast next week, and especially the 3 game stretch after Ped St.

No one has the skill TCU has that we play. Everyone wants to say PED because of their offensive style but they aren't even close.

That said if we continue to stroll Pryor/Wint out there who combined to be mainly responsible again for 2 plays over 60 yards (one 94 yards) and 14 points then we will need to keep scoring.

Thinking more on it and I'm not sure why we dont play everyone within 10 yards of the LOS. More hats to stop the run, our CBs have been a strength, and if teams try to go deep our DL will have more time to get pressure.

Noticed a lot more zone this year for coverage.

 

[Ryan36_1]

To me it's a crime that Wade is a part time player while Pryor/Wint take up snaps. Get your best players on the field period.

My hope is that this has been in the works since game 1 (Schiano has mentioned in back to back weeks Wade is preparing to see more time at S) and that the only thing keeping the move from being full time is that Wade needed the time to learn the full defensive playbook at safety.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Plus Tevin Coleman ripped our defense, Conor Cook went for 300 passing, and gardner threw for 240 with 28 points.

This defense has a higher ceiling than that 2014 squad. Right now IMO if we just put Wade at safety we are about all shored up.

To me it's a crime that Wade is a part time player while Pryor/Wint take up snaps. Get your best players on the field period.

I think this is the general way people should look at a Meyer-ball defense vs a Tressel-ball defense. Meyer's defenses are, by design, going to give up yards and high teen to mid 20's kind of points points a game because they are so aggressive but the positive side of that aggression is Turnovers, TFL's, sacks and scores.

Defense is built to compliment the offense under Meyer.

Tressel used his offense to compliment his defense.

It's a hard adjustment for fans to make after so many years of defenses that didn't yield yards or points very easily at all. That said, 30ppg is too fucking much to be giving up. So the philosophy is what it is but the execution needs to improve.

These big plays are like timely goals in hockey, they are huge momentum shifters. Momentum is a significant thing in CFB.