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2017 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Best Guessing the Ohio State Depth Chart Right Now

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Defensive End
59 Tyquan Lewis, rSr OR
97 Nick Bosa, So
18 Jonathon Cooper, So

There’s not much to say here, which kind of says it all.

Defensive End
6 Sam Hubbard, rJr OR
11 Jalyn Holmes, Sr
2 Chase Young, Fr

In terms of riches, I could compare Larry Johnson to Scrooge McDuck, except instead of swimming in McDuck’s vault of gold, Johnson swims in his vault of defensive ends....:gagnam: The major difference, of course, is that Johnson is willing to share his defensive ends with every other team the Buckeyes face.

Defensive Tackle
86 Dre’Mont Jones, rSo
93 Tracy Sprinkle, rSr
55 Malik Barrow, rFr OR
9 Jashon Cornell, rSo
98 Jerron Cage, Fr

Don’t be surprised to also see Sprinkle getting time at nose tackle this season. This is a big camp for Barrow and Cornell, as both are trying to show Larry Johnson that he needs to find room for each of them.

Nose Tackle
77 Michael Hill, rSr OR
67 Robert Landers, rSo OR
53 Davon Hamilton, rSo
92 Haskell Garrett, Fr

We haven’t really gotten to see any kind of defensive line pecking order yet. Sometimes you can get an idea based on position drills, but when you also have defensive linemen working on special teams at the same time as those drills, your ideas have missing pieces.

Entire article: http://theozone.net/2017/08/guessing-ohio-state-football-depth-chart/
 
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I'm not a fan of this. And yet, I'm a fan of this. Schiano says this OSU DL is the most talented one that he's coached, including his lines in the NFL.

"It is, and that's not a joke," Schiano said Saturday in an interview with the Big Ten Network, when asked if this is the most talented group he has coached at any level.

Schiano was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' head coach in 2012 and '13. The Bucs' defensive line included Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy, current Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett (who had nine sacks for Tampa Bay in 2012) and former first-round pick Adrian Clayborn.
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That's great and all, and I'd love for that to be the case but that is some high praise that I would prefer isn't placed on them before they've played a snap in 2017.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...sive-line-better-tampa-bay-buccaneers-2012-13

ESPN link. Click if you dare.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
I'm not a fan of this. And yet, I'm a fan of this. Schiano says this OSU DL is the most talented one that he's coached, including his lines in the NFL.



That's great and all, and I'd love for that to be the case but that is some high praise that I would prefer isn't placed on them before they've played a snap in 2017.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...sive-line-better-tampa-bay-buccaneers-2012-13

ESPN link. Click if you dare.
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I am glad he said 'most talented' and not 'the best'. I'm hoping the players see this as a challenge, and push themselves to try and live up to this purportedly monstrous talent.


Far too often over the past few years have we seen loaded Buckeye teams squander their enormous talent because of poor coaching or scheme. Not this year, boys - there's no excuse this year.
 
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LARRY JOHNSON'S INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINE PRIMED TO DO WORK IN 2017

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Urban Meyer announced earlier this week defensive tackle Michael Hill has been indefinitely suspended but that reality won't keep the interior defensive line from being a key cog in the 2017 Buckeye defense.

For his part, Hill did play in all 13 games last year as a starter on the inside tallying 21 stops including 3.0 TFL but when talking about the middle of Ohio State's defensive line, there's no shortage of guys projected to be stud contributors backed up by a host of capable reserves.

That's nothing new since defensive line coach (and assistant head coach) Larry Johnson landed in Columbus following 18 years at Penn State.
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Turning the page to 2017, Johnson's interior line will be without Hill for at least one game but with Jones expected to take his game to the next level and Sprinkle highly motivated to go out with a bang coming off knee surgery, the starting unit could be nationally elite.

In a reserve role, I expect Landers to again prove he would be a starter at most B1G schools and with Hill back the 2nd-string isn't lacking. Going deeper, the serviceable Hamilton will apparently battle true freshman Haskell Garrett for snaps.

Put all those interior names together and you've got a potentially dominating stew that when combined on the outside with Lewis, Bosa, Hubbard, Holmes and maybe even Chase Young could be the best Johnson has produced during his short time in Columbus.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...r-defensive-line-is-primed-to-do-work-in-2017
 
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Ohio State Still in the Process of Replacing Malik Hooker

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The position battle to be Ohio State’s starting strong safety may not be entirely in the spotlight yet, but there is no doubting that it is a crucial position that must be filled by at least one capable candidate. And if that candidate can be more than capable, then so much the better.

Malik Hooker was the big star last year with seven interceptions and three pick sixes. He is off to the NFL now, however, and the Buckeyes must figure out how to continue to get better without him.

Senior Damon Webb is the only returning starter at safety. He started every game last season, finishing fifth on the team with 57 tackles. Webb brings a sense of calm to a position that is in a significant state of flux.

Hooker’s performance last year should be an inspiration and example that one player can make a huge impact in his first year as a starter. Every safety competing to replace Hooker will have an opportunity to become Ohio State’s next superstar, but the question is whether or not this will actually happen.

“I don’t know that yet,” said OSU defensive coordinator and safeties coach Greg Schiano. “That’s what we have to find out. But then again, we didn’t know we had that in Malik. We had an idea, but until you do it you don’t know. We sure work hard at it, to develop that skill. Stretching your range is something we work very hard at and it’s a daily process.”

Entire article: http://theozone.net/2017/08/ohio-state-replacing-hooker-greg-schiano-jordan-fuller/
 
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bukIpower said:
I'm actually fair concerned with our safety play... Webb was the weak link last year and Erik or Jordan haven't pulled away yet. Anyone else kind of anxious considering how much a strength our secondary was last year?
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the other three were first round picks. The fourth probably will be one. The other safety has the potential to be a generational Talent at safety in the NFL, not just at OSU.

Webb got a lot better as the year wore on. Also Malik and vonn before him we're not lock down cover guys. Webb was magnitudes better than Tyvis. Arnette had some struggles but not as bad as young Conley
 
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I see the LB group as not really changing much year to year - been very solid with little drop off year to year. 2017/18 should be no different. In fact, if Booker stays healthy I can see the unit being every bit is a solid as last year. Baker is a major star, Booker has the talent to be and Worley is just a stud and a leader who is no slouch himself.

Everyone knows the crazy run we have had in the secondary. It's foolish to expect it to be the exact same in 2017/18 but it's also foolish to forget Coombs is still a great coach who clearly gets his unit ready. I expect a fairly significant drop off but not to the level to cause panic. I see the D Line helping out the secondary a lot and I see the unit being very dependable by week 6 or 7.

The D Line being the best in the country is typical preseason hyperbole but it clearly should be one of the deepest. I think a lot rides on the interior - if Sprinkle can get close his level against ND by mid sesaon and D Jones and Landers can reach up another level it will be huge. I expect Bosa to make his own name for himself and the casual fan to know the names Jonathan Cooper and Chase Young by years end.

I was going to say this about the D Line but I think it applies to the entire defense really - quality depth makes a huge difference towards the meat of the schedule and post season. The teams that can 'next man up' due to injury or just keep guys somewhat fresh by that point by substituting a lot early mid season have a HUGE advantage. It's not just true within each game but almost more so when viewed by the grind of a season - the team that can stay fresh and/or replace injured players has a major leg up.

More-so than any year in the Meyer era I expect this season to fully showcase the year after year of great recruiting classes.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
I see the LB group as not really changing much year to year - been very solid with little drop off year to year. 2017/18 should be no different. In fact, if Booker stays healthy I can see the unit being every bit is a solid as last year. Baker is a major star, Booker has the talent to be and Worley is just a stud and a leader who is no slouch himself.

Everyone knows the crazy run we have had in the secondary. It's foolish to expect it to be the exact same in 2017/18 but it's also foolish to forget Coombs is still a great coach who clearly gets his unit ready. I expect a fairly significant drop off but not to the level to cause panic. I see the D Line helping out the secondary a lot and I see the unit being very dependable by week 6 or 7.

The D Line being the best in the country is typical preseason hyperbole but it clearly should be one of the deepest. I think a lot rides on the interior - if Sprinkle can get close his level against ND by mid sesaon and D Jones and Landers can reach up another level it will be huge. I expect Bosa to make his own name for himself and the casual fan to know the names Jonathan Cooper and Chase Young by years end.

I was going to say this about the D Line but I think it applies to the entire defense really - quality depth makes a huge difference towards the meat of the schedule and post season. The teams that can 'next man up' due to injury or just keep guys somewhat fresh by that point by substituting a lot early mid season have a HUGE advantage. It's not just true within each game but almost more so when viewed by the grind of a season - the team that can stay fresh and/or replace injured players has a major leg up.

More-so than any year in the Meyer era I expect this season to fully showcase the year after year of great recruiting classes.
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I was just thinking. Did Clemson or Alabama rely on backups? I hardly remember them rotating at all, but primarily using starters year in and year out. I guess both instances can work in the teams favor. And now that I think about it, did the 2014 OSU NC team rotate as much as they spoke about in the pre season?
 
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pnuts34 said:
I was just thinking. Did Clemson or Alabama rely on backups? I hardly remember them rotating at all, but primarily using starters year in and year out. I guess both instances can work in the teams favor. And now that I think about it, did the 2014 OSU NC team rotate as much as they spoke about in the pre season?
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Even if a team relies heavily on starters for the CCG and post season those players can be pretty fresh if they aren't ridden like a rented mule all regular season.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Even if a team relies heavily on starters for the CCG and post season those players can be pretty fresh if they aren't ridden like a rented mule all regular season.
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But that's my point. Didn't Clemson and Alabama ride their starters into the ground during the ENTIRE season? Hence their players breaking down so much in the NFL. I much prefer the OSU method, but this year will truly be the year we see how it works out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. The depth and rotation sounds great, but if say Jalyn Holmes or Sam Hubbard are having monster, do you still substitute them out to keep them fresh if they're having amazing games, same goes Damon Arnette and Kendall Sheffield and Ward? Or do you ride the hot hand like what the other teams have done? It's an interesting scenario on both accounts.
 
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But that's my point. Didn't Clemson and Alabama ride their starters into the ground during the ENTIRE season? Hence their players breaking down so much in the NFL. I much prefer the OSU method, but this year will truly be the year we see how it works out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. The depth and rotation sounds great, but if say Jalyn Holmes or Sam Hubbard are having monster, do you still substitute them out to keep them fresh if they're having amazing games, same goes Damon Arnette and Kendall Sheffield and Ward? Or do you ride the hot hand like what the other teams have done? It's an interesting scenario on both accounts.
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I think it depends on the opponent. If it's Oklahoma/Penn State/scUM you obviously keep the starters who have a hot hand in the game. If it's the lower part of the Big 10 and UNLV I like the idea of going with regular reps and giving the backups more reps when it starts getting out of hand. The fresher the main guys are for the better opponents the better.
 
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