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They got the last years national champion benefit of the doubt pretty much.
That's how the committee approached this year because it just seems like they didn't want to make any difficult decisions in a year where there probably weren't even 4 playoff worthy teams.
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That is why I am still pissed about 2015. The changing standards of the committee but what are you going to do when you rotate at committee members every couple of years. They need guys on the committee that understand football and are not shills for a particular conference or school. I think Chris Spielman would be a spectacular choice....
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lvbuckeye
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College football has already been killed as it is. Alabama losing the Iron Bowl meant absolutely nothing, and probably helped them get healthy for the CFP. Since it's already been killed, let's go all the way and do it right for a change. There's a reason that the NCAA doesn't recognize FBS national championships.
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Of course it seems that way. But my question is...
Last year when Ohio State made the playoff, would you rather have seen them decline the opportunity since they didn’t win their division?
College basketball has teams win all the time that didn’t win their division/conference. Most sports are that way. Wild cards win the Super Bowl and World Series. Over half of the NBA teams make the playoffs, all with a chance to be called champions.
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lvbuckeye
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I would rather that the selection criteria involved not coming in second place in your own division. Auburn was punished for beating Alabama by having to play a rematch against Georgia, and Alabama was rewarded for losing to Auburn by not having to play Georgia the following week. And make no mistake about it: Auburn would have been in as a two loss team if they'd won that rematch.
As far as wild card teams in football and baseball go, although it does happen, it doesn't happen extremely often. Baseball has an enormous data set. Good teams don't get left out, and bad teams don't get in.
In NCAA basketball, national championships are dominated by 1 seeds. They could cut the field in half and not lose a single national champion in the entire tournaments' history.
In the NBA, it's virtually unheard of for a 6-8 seed to even make it to the conference finals, let alone win the whole thing.
And then there's that whole thing where football at every level, from Pop Warner to the NFL is decided by a 12 or 16 team playoff, EXCEPT major college football. Adding more playoff games doesn't cheapen the regular season. If you're good enough to qualify, you get your shot to see if you're good enough to win it all.
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Wild cards win often enough that it shouldn’t be surprising. One seeds definitely don’t win the CBB Men’s tourney every year. It definitely isn’t always conference champions that win it.
I think the argument that you have to be a division/conference champ is just as flawed as anything else. The playoff is about what? It’s about the 4 best teams playing for the championship. There is nothing in the world that says “the 4 best teams always come from 4 different conferences because that the laws of nature magically make it so.” It’s entirely possible and probably very often true that 2 of the 4 best teams can come from the same conference. Only one team can call itself “conference champion.” Does that mean that if the best team in the nation is a conference champ, that the possible second best team is suddenly only the 6th best team(behind the other power 5 champs) just because that team is in the same division/conference as the #1 team? That’s ridiculous.
There is nothing perfect about the system as it exists now and adding a rule that you have to be a division/conference champ does nothing to fix it. It’s all opinionated, subjective, political, high school popularity contest bullshit to begin with.
College football is and has always been totally different than just about everything else there is. It is what it is and always has been. Bringing any sort of logic and common sense in to the mix is an exercise in futility. I mean, teams used to be crowned champions without ever having to play a championship game at all. University Such and Such would go to a bowl and play the 7th best team, win and be called champs. It is very very slowly catching up, though.
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lvbuckeye
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Of course in the CBB tournament a #1 seed doesn't win it every year, but there's never been a Final Four that didn't feature at least one #1 seed, and #1 seeds have made up 20 of the national champions since the tournament expanded to 64, with all other seeds combining for 13 NCs. Smart money bets on the higher seeds. Early upsets are fun, but the cream rises to the top.
Finally, you are ignoring the fact that a conference championship is determined ON THE FIELD. the NFL playoffs and participants are determined ON THE FIELD. the men's basketball championship is determined on the court. The NHL playoffs are determined on the ice. Baseball, the NBA, and every other level of football feature teams playing their way into the playoffs. Only FBS football allows ridiculous, subjective, money driven, back room deals to determine who gets to participate for the trophy.
The system is corrupt as all hell, and it needs to die.
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This CFP has a number #1 seed, if you will. But not all are necessarily #1 seeds just as every Final Four doesn’t have four #1 seeds. And only 60% of the time is the tourney won by a #1 seed.
I’m not ignoring the “on the field” aspect. This championship is going to be won on the field (moreso than it ever used to be before the playoff.) That championship is going to be won on the field in less than a week. The goal is to be one of the 4 best teams at the end of the season and then you have to play it out. Other championship teams in all sports have won the championship over a team they perhaps lost to in the regular season. There are no exemptions. You win or you lose, regardless of past circumstance. I just went 13-0 in a fantasy league. I won my semifinal match and then lost in the final to a team I beat twice. It sucks but it is what I signed up for at the beginning of the year. That is the way a champ is determined. Doesn’t matter if that team that won went 7-6 in the regular season. Those “on the field” aspects that you speak of...the Super Bowl is won on the field but can include teams that already “lost on the field” when not winning their division. Doesn’t matter. Those teams still get their shot to “win it on the field” again. Alabama didn’t win their conference but they were still considered one of the top 4 teams. Regular season is over and they still get their shot at a championship.
The Patriots beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh. They could possibly play in the AFC Championship in Foxboro. Why should New England have to play that game? They already beat Pittsburgh, in Pittsburgh “on the field” and won the whole damn conference. Just go straight from regular season to the Super Bowl. None of the other 5 AFC playoff teams deserve to be there.
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