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2016 tOSU Offense Discussion

Maybe I am mis-remembering here but Carlos Hyde was the first time Urban had a big work horse type back to use in his offense. Then he had Zeke.

Other than that it was always a UF circa 2008 style run game by committee

It's the off season so far be it from me to chide anyone for their own choice of topics for hand wringing but my personal preference is OL followed closely by WR. If those two units block, I have faith that an Urban Meyer team will find guys who can run with it.
 
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From the looks of Webers before and after picture, I find it impossible that he hasn't gained at least one step in the 40. You can't change like that and not pick up some speed. Lighter and stronger equals more speed.
 
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2nd tier? He was the #9 ranked RB in his class! How is that 2nd tier? And you don't have to be a home run threat to be a great RB, or an even very good one. He he moves the chains, finds holes, and blocks wells and he can find himself over 1000yds. There are actually very few home run threats I'm CFB and in the NFL. And how can you say he undersized when he's pretty much the same weight as Zeke when he started as a RS frosh? Zeke is NOW 225 after 3yrs in the Mariotti system and Weber is only 10lbs lighter as a RS frosh.
I do agree that we'll need a committee approach. But the injury comment is true every year. But that's why Urban recruits well, when someone goes down, the next man up. You don't sign up to be a Buckeye if you're not ready for the spotlight at any time during your collegiate career. Weber's size is fine, and throw in Samuel as a change of pace at times and Williams to pound the ball similar to Weber. And if you don't think that Weber can take it to the house, look at his highlights again, the kid has better speed than you think...

Yes 2nd tier like in the draft after usually the 1st group of elite RBs typically 2-5 guys there's a drop off to the next tier of caliber in backs. He has a lot of good qualities and good film but nothing that screams he's a top 5 back, just merely in the bigger group of RBs behind them. Cool your jets man I'm saying he's a good big ten back but I don't see Elliot or Hyde output in him. Not every back we bring in will be a sure fire top 5 back, Jonathan wells, Boom Herron and there's other examples, aren't in that top tier that make great college careers and have impacts in the NFL. Not saying he's chopped liver just saying right now he's not completely filled out and his film and skills aren't eye popping likes Zeke were. You could see Zeke was going to be a dominant back because he had a better running back frame to fill out, better open field speed and better agility. Weber has a shorter more compact frame with less explosion. There's an optimal playing weight for every RB as well to maintain their best combination of speed, agility and power which is why you'll probably see Elliot hover between that 225 to 230 weight range. Williams I'm not sold on yet, need to see more action out of him. I'm just saying this is about a worst case scenario with RB's with basically no experience and no depth. Weber will have 3-4 more years to prove what he's capable of, I'm just saying right now I lump him into that second tier until he shows more of his development and growth and it's a fluid situation, but nothing is a knock on him. Not every RB is going to fill the prototypical 6'0-6'1 225-230 lbs 4.4-4.5 40 frame and not all great backs have to have that frame to be great. Hence that's why even the recruiting rankings have him outside the top tier of backs because they see a great all around back but just missing that pop off the screen speed, and frame.
 
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Yes 2nd tier like in the draft after usually the 1st group of elite RBs typically 2-5 guys there's a drop off to the next tier of caliber in backs. He has a lot of good qualities and good film but nothing that screams he's a top 5 back, just merely in the bigger group of RBs behind them. Cool your jets man I'm saying he's a good big ten back but I don't see Elliot or Hyde output in him. Not every back we bring in will be a sure fire top 5 back, Jonathan wells, Boom Herron and there's other examples, aren't in that top tier that make great college careers and have impacts in the NFL. Not saying he's chopped liver just saying right now he's not completely filled out and his film and skills aren't eye popping likes Zeke were. You could see Zeke was going to be a dominant back because he had a better running back frame to fill out, better open field speed and better agility. Weber has a shorter more compact frame with less explosion. There's an optimal playing weight for every RB as well to maintain their best combination of speed, agility and power which is why you'll probably see Elliot hover between that 225 to 230 weight range. Williams I'm not sold on yet, need to see more action out of him. I'm just saying this is about a worst case scenario with RB's with basically no experience and no depth. Weber will have 3-4 more years to prove what he's capable of, I'm just saying right now I lump him into that second tier until he shows more of his development and growth and it's a fluid situation, but nothing is a knock on him. Not every RB is going to fill the prototypical 6'0-6'1 225-230 lbs 4.4-4.5 40 frame and not all great backs have to have that frame to be great. Hence that's why even the recruiting rankings have him outside the top tier of backs because they see a great all around back but just missing that pop off the screen speed, and frame.
IMO, you're selling Weber EXTREMELY short! But we can agree to disagree, as I don't see anything that I can agree with much of your statements.
We'll see how the season plays out...
 
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IMO, you're selling Weber EXTREMELY short! But we can agree to disagree, as I don't see anything that I can agree with much of your statements.
We'll see how the season plays out...

How is saying that he'll be somewhere between the 6-20th ranked RB in his draft class selling him short, that's a huge compliment. I'm just saying people on here have all these lofty expectations coming off the last 2 seasons and we've been spoiled with the best 3 down back/workhorse/potentially best blocking RB ever. And everyone thinks we just aren't going to miss a beat. We just lost the best draft class ever. You are probably going to disagree with this too but we are probably looking at a 3 loss season. Just saying he's not a top 5 back in his class but good news is he's got a plenty of opportunities to prove me wrong. We have turnover across the entire OL, WR and RB, the running game will have struggles because defenses aren't going to respect the pass and will load the box until they see continuity between Barrett and the new WR corps. Our RB by committee will be a combination of Barrett, Weber and Samuel with Dontre getting some jet sweeps and Williams coming in for back up duty. Just praying for no injuries! The reason you don't relate to anything I'm saying is because you aren't an athlete yourself and you don't pay close attention to player development from HS to NFL. I have the same frame, height and weight that Weber has right now and I trained in every way possible to get faster and yes I improved my speed in college. But you know what, no matter how much I jumped rope, did ladder drills, and lifted to maximize my speed, I could still only lengthen my stride and speed up my stride to reach a 4.55 40. But yet Dobbins a back that will fill out almost the same height and weight as Weber projects as a sure fire top 5 back because of his genetics and his stride repitition is just faster than Weber's. That helps push him into that top tier. These are only projections as well and the situation is fluid and changes as development occurs just saying that not all RBs can be top 5 backs but that doesn't mean they aren't good. But regardless all RBs are evaluated and taken based off of their total body of work.
I have a feeling there is going to be a quite a bit of crow served around November.
For what exactly? Saying Weber is a great RB but not a top 5 RB in his draft class? Lol
 
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I played RB in college too, and not all great backs run sub 4.5 and have a long stride, ie Emmit Smith. I wasn't all that high on Weber myself coming out of HS, but I have to say, I am incredible impressed with the way he has changed his body in 12 months. The kid has to be putting in work and he has to have discipline to do what he has done.

I will also say, I watched a lot of the spring practices, and I under rated Weber's feet. From what I watched of him doing drills in the spring, I can see where there is some excitement from the staff about getting him ready. He may not rip off the 80 yarders because he doesn't have blazing break away speed like Zeke, but I criticized Zeke as did Chris Spielman for not breaking enough arm tackles and getting taken down by one guy too often, and I see Weber breaking more tackles than Zeke myself. I think 2 years from now he will be another product of tOSU machine that is Mickey and Urban and will be a stud.

And then Akers and Dobbins will be pushing him because they too are going to studs.
 
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How is saying that he'll be somewhere between the 6-20th ranked RB in his draft class selling him short, that's a huge compliment. I'm just saying people on here have all these lofty expectations coming off the last 2 seasons and we've been spoiled with the best 3 down back/workhorse/potentially best blocking RB ever. And everyone thinks we just aren't going to miss a beat. We just lost the best draft class ever. You are probably going to disagree with this too but we are probably looking at a 3 loss season. Just saying he's not a top 5 back in his class but good news is he's got a plenty of opportunities to prove me wrong. We have turnover across the entire OL, WR and RB, the running game will have struggles because defenses aren't going to respect the pass and will load the box until they see continuity between Barrett and the new WR corps. Our RB by committee will be a combination of Barrett, Weber and Samuel with Dontre getting some jet sweeps and Williams coming in for back up duty. Just praying for no injuries! The reason you don't relate to anything I'm saying is because you aren't an athlete yourself and you don't pay close attention to player development from HS to NFL. I have the same frame, height and weight that Weber has right now and I trained in every way possible to get faster and yes I improved my speed in college. But you know what, no matter how much I jumped rope, did ladder drills, and lifted to maximize my speed, I could still only lengthen my stride and speed up my stride to reach a 4.55 40. But yet Dobbins a back that will fill out almost the same height and weight as Weber projects as a sure fire top 5 back because of his genetics and his stride repitition is just faster than Weber's. That helps push him into that top tier. These are only projections as well and the situation is fluid and changes as development occurs just saying that not all RBs can be top 5 backs but that doesn't mean they aren't good. But regardless all RBs are evaluated and taken based off of their total body of work.

For what exactly? Saying Weber is a great RB but not a top 5 RB in his draft class? Lol
OK, how are you even bringing up drsfr class about a kid that hasn't even carried the ball in a regular season game? That's utterly baffling that you went to that extreme after watching HS game film and a glorified scrimmage(the spring game)! I guess you must've thought Bam Childress and Taurian Washington were sure fire lottery picks...
As far as being an athlete, that's good for you, and I congratulate you but that has nothing to do with Weber. And as far as being able to follow a players development from HS to the NFL, its almost a crap shoot with almost every kid. Anyone who knows about following a kids progression knows that. A number of 4 and 5star kids every year never even sniff the NFL while kids from lesser schools or undrafted kids are all over the NFL. And kids do a thing call progress from HS to the NFL as well. Your 40 is only a small measure for a RB as a number of RBs have run over 4.5 and still had success. As the 40 is in shorts and t shirt and real football isn't.
And sorry for you luck, but kids can increase their speed in strength as well. I have a father and cousin who both played in the NFL who both got stronger and faster from HS to the NFL(my cousin actually won gold and silver in the 1984 Olympics in the 100m and 4x100).
But I digress as this is a thread about OSU's offense. Weber is in a great position to continue the lineage of great OSU RBs. I do believe(since you're bringing up losing starters) that in 2014 Zeke was running behind a rebuilt O line as well as an offense that returned 4 starters(actually 3 as Miller missed the season) and none of them showed the upside of talent that OSU is returning this year. Our offense will be fine with Weber, Samuel and Co. Will they suffer a possible early hiccup(just like in 2014), possibly, but they can also get rolling just like that team did, and I think that year ended well...
 
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OK, how are you even bringing up drsfr class about a kid that hasn't even carried the ball in a regular season game? That's utterly baffling that you went to that extreme after watching HS game film and a glorified scrimmage(the spring game)! I guess you must've thought Bam Childress and Taurian Washington were sure fire lottery picks...
As far as being an athlete, that's good for you, and I congratulate you but that has nothing to do with Weber. And as far as being able to follow a players development from HS to the NFL, its almost a crap shoot with almost every kid. Anyone who knows about following a kids progression knows that. A number of 4 and 5star kids every year never even sniff the NFL while kids from lesser schools or undrafted kids are all over the NFL. And kids do a thing call progress from HS to the NFL as well. Your 40 is only a small measure for a RB as a number of RBs have run over 4.5 and still had success. As the 40 is in shorts and t shirt and real football isn't.
And sorry for you luck, but kids can increase their speed in strength as well. I have a father and cousin who both played in the NFL who both got stronger and faster from HS to the NFL(my cousin actually won gold and silver in the 1984 Olympics in the 100m and 4x100).
But I digress as this is a thread about OSU's offense. Weber is in a great position to continue the lineage of great OSU RBs. I do believe(since you're bringing up losing starters) that in 2014 Zeke was running behind a rebuilt O line as well as an offense that returned 4 starters(actually 3 as Miller missed the season) and none of them showed the upside of talent that OSU is returning this year. Our offense will be fine with Weber, Samuel and Co. Will they suffer a possible early hiccup(just like in 2014), possibly, but they can also get rolling just like that team did, and I think that year ended well...

Man you really get all up tight over projections/rankings which is what every coach and recruiting analyst in the country is doing. Lol you act like there's no way to view into the future to see the 6'0" 195 Zeke developing into the 6'0" 225-230 lbs freak athlete. What do you think the coaches are doing when they a Todd Sibley in the class and choose to go a different route and chase 2 other backs with better frame/speed combinations with higher ceilings. No coach in the country can tell you exactly what a player will develop into in college but you can look at the body of work and get a pretty good idea. What Do you think the coaches saw when they recruited a 6'5" 220 lacrosse player with great athleticism, they didn't picture a frame that stayed the same and was going to play safety they pictured a 6'5" 275 lbs Athletic framed DE named Sam Hubbard. The fact that you think projecting future skills is impossible is hilarious because analysts and coaches d it every day. If you paid attention to the fact that I said I increased my speed in college but could never take it past a 4.55. Their are caps to athletes speed wether you choose to believe it or not Weber will never run like Elliot. Here's another projection Emery Jones was hands down the best QB at FNL and probably the best dual threat QB I've seen since Watson and will potentially be the top QB taken in his class because he has the frame and arm talent.
Looking at next year though the offense is comparable to 2014 but will hinge on the development of the passing game and play calling. Right now I see no way with our defensive turnover that we can stop the 3 headed running attack of mayfield, perine and mixon. So how we respond after that game will be very telling. The early loss to VT really humbled and made the 2014 team hungrier and that team really thrived in the underdog role. Need to stay healthy at RB but that position will not be able to carry us like Zeke did the final 3 games of the 2014 season averaging 220+ yards per game.
 
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Man you really get all up tight over projections/rankings which is what every coach and recruiting analyst in the country is doing. Lol you act like there's no way to view into the future to see the 6'0" 195 Zeke developing into the 6'0" 225-230 lbs freak athlete. What do you think the coaches are doing when they a Todd Sibley in the class and choose to go a different route and chase 2 other backs with better frame/speed combinations with higher ceilings. No coach in the country can tell you exactly what a player will develop into in college but you can look at the body of work and get a pretty good idea. What Do you think the coaches saw when they recruited a 6'5" 220 lacrosse player with great athleticism, they didn't picture a frame that stayed the same and was going to play safety they pictured a 6'5" 275 lbs Athletic framed DE named Sam Hubbard. The fact that you think projecting future skills is impossible is hilarious because analysts and coaches d it every day. If you paid attention to the fact that I said I increased my speed in college but could never take it past a 4.55. Their are caps to athletes speed wether you choose to believe it or not Weber will never run like Elliot. Here's another projection Emery Jones was hands down the best QB at FNL and probably the best dual threat QB I've seen since Watson and will potentially be the top QB taken in his class because he has the frame and arm talent.
Looking at next year though the offense is comparable to 2014 but will hinge on the development of the passing game and play calling. Right now I see no way with our defensive turnover that we can stop the 3 headed running attack of mayfield, perine and mixon. So how we respond after that game will be very telling. The early loss to VT really humbled and made the 2014 team hungrier and that team really thrived in the underdog role. Need to stay healthy at RB but that position will not be able to carry us like Zeke did the final 3 games of the 2014 season averaging 220+ yards per game.
Alright man. The season will start soon enough and we'll see what the Buckeyes are made of
 
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FIVE TAKEAWAYS FROM OHIO STATE HEAD COACH URBAN MEYER'S BREAKOUT INTERVIEW SESSION AT BIG TEN MEDIA DAYS



  • Meyer again confirmed offensive coordinator Ed Warinner will remain in the press box alongside quarterbacks coach Tim Beck. Warinner and Meyer will be the primary play play-callers, while Beck will be "heavily involved," according to Meyer.
Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-meyers-breakout-interview-session-at-big-ten
 
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