2016 tOSU Offense Discussion

[Bestbuck36]

• Meyer again confirmed offensive coordinator Ed Warinner will remain in the press box alongside quarterbacks coach Tim Beck. Warinner and Meyer will be the primary play play-callers, while Beck will be "heavily involved," according to Meyer.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-meyers-breakout-interview-session-at-big-ten

"Warriner" Hey Tim, you need to bulk up. Go over to concessions and get us some hot dogs and nachos while we go down and score here. "Warriner"

 

[Tanner]

Crunched a few numbers to see the difference between Tressel and Meyer in terms of field goals. They obviously have different approaches in terms of attempting them and since it also seems like our FG kickers have been pretty erratic under Meyer when we do attempt them, I wanted to see what the difference was in % made if there was one.

Under Tress they attempted 24.5 field goals a season and made 76.3% of them
Under Meyer they attempted 14 field goals a season and made 71.4% of them

I remembered Nugent struggled his freshman year but I had forgotten how bad it was for the team that year. He and Huston combined for a catastrophic 10-24 in 2001

 

[cincibuck]

Crunched a few numbers to see the difference between Tressel and Meyer in terms of field goals. They obviously have different approaches in terms of attempting them and since it also seems like our FG kickers have been pretty erratic under Meyer when we do attempt them, I wanted to see what the difference was in % made if there was one.

Under Tress they attempted 24.5 field goals a season and made 76.3% of them
Under Meyer they attempted 14 field goals a season and made 71.4% of them

I remembered Nugent struggled his freshman year but I had forgotten how bad it was for the team that year. He and Huston combined for a catastrophic 10-24 in 2001

Thanks for crunching the numbers, but as to how many tries... Maybe its because of the fewer seasons to compare. My own opinion is that Meyer has had better QBs to work with in his seasons and thus more likely to take a chance on fourth down.

 

[Buckeneye]

I see people invoking 2008 Florida.

How quickly we lose sight that Meyer's success in Gainesville, particularly his two NC runs, we're fueled by the defense.

When you say 08 Florida, I think of Spikes, Dunlap, Haden, Black, Wright, Jenkins & Hill.

That team had legitimate NFL talent on the defensive side of the ball. You don't beat OU by 10points (scoring only 24, mind you) then call yourself an offensive powerhouse.

 

[ScriptOhio]

URBAN MEYER INSISTS OHIO STATE WILL USE THE H-BACK MORE THIS SEASON, BUT WHAT'S A REALISTIC EXPECTATION?

You’ve surely seen the highlight packages.

Percy Harvin — at Florida, in an Urban Meyer offense — gliding through defenses making defenders look silly. Harvin had a way of single-handedly swinging the momentum of a game with one play. He was that special.

Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps soon followed with similar plays, though to a lesser degree. There was a common thread, though: All were able to change games from the H-back position in Meyer’s offense with the Gators.

“At Florida, H-back kind of became the Cadillac position,” Meyer said recently at Big Ten Media Days.

For whatever reason, that hasn’t quite happened yet through Meyer’s four years at Ohio State, though. Sure, Braxton Miller’s famed spin move at Virginia Tech was one of college football’s most electrifying plays last season, but the overall production from the position pales in comparison to Meyer’s time at Florida.

Miller and Curtis Samuel — the Buckeyes’ two primary H-backs last season — combined for 392 rushing yards, 630 receiving yards and seven total touchdowns in 2015. By comparison, Harvin alone eclipsed those marks by himself twice at Florida with 1,622 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns in 2007 and 1,304 yards from scrimmage and 17 touchdowns in 2008.

Meyer said the dip in production mostly stems from the fact he did not have running backs the caliber of Carlos Hyde or Ezekiel Elliott during his time with the Gators and, as a result, the position has not been featured yet at Ohio State like it was at Florida. But the Buckeyes’ expected starter at the running back spot this season, Mike Weber, is unproven and because of that, Meyer said he hopes to utilize the H-position like he has previously in his coaching career.

Samuel and senior Dontre Wilson are the two primary candidates for the spot, and while it would be unfair to compare either to Harvin, both have the capability to become big playmakers for Ohio State this fall.

“I see a lot of yards between those two guys,” Meyer said.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...this-season-but-whats-a-realistic-expectation

 

[ScriptOhio]

Projecting the Ohio State Pre-Camp Depth Chart on Offense

The Buckeyes report for Fall Camp on Saturday and the first practice takes place on Sunday. The freshmen will practice in the morning, then the rest of the team will take the field in the afternoon.

Given that there have been some roster changes, as well as new information gained at B1G Media Days, we thought it would be a good time to put out the first pre-camp projected depth chart. We will start on the offensive side of the ball, and we do so with the understanding that this is a projection and differences are absolutely expected when we see the team for the first time on Sunday.

Quarterback
16 - J.T. Barrett, rJr
10 - Joe Burrow, rFr
7 - Dwayne Haskins, Fr
Actually, no changes are expected here. If there are changes, however, then you have the first big story of camp.

Running Back
20 - Mike Weber, rFr
26 - Antonio Williams, Fr
30 - Demario McCall, Fr
We're putting Demario McCall here and at H-back because we just don't know where he'll end up yet. The coaches may not know either. What we do know is that right now he is with the running backs.

See entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...he-Ohio-State-Pre-Camp-Depth-Chart-on-Offense

 

[RB07OSU]

I think you will see the H-Back utilized a ton. RB is razor-thin with Dunn gone and we will need extra bodies to carry the ball. I would imagine that Samuel and Dontre get plenty of touches, maybe even McCall if he is ready to go physically. We need to lighten the load on Weber at the very least. But I think depth alone dictates that the H-Back spot will get used a lot more.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I think you will see the H-Back utilized a ton. RB is razor-thin with Dunn gone and we will need extra bodies to carry the ball. I would imagine that Samuel and Dontre get plenty of touches, maybe even McCall if he is ready to go physically. We need to lighten the load on Weber at the very least. But I think depth alone dictates that the H-Back spot will get used a lot more.

I agree. We need mo and betta use of the H-back. Just more of, to use his own term, the clownshow there with Braxton last year will be a problem. I am never going to get over the mis- and non-use of the most dynamic Buckeye I've ever seen last season.

 

[jwinslow]

I agree. We need mo and betta use of the H-back. Just more of, to use his own term, the clownshow there with Braxton last year will be a problem. I am never going to get over the mis- and non-use of the most dynamic Buckeye I've ever seen last season.

Blocking is sort of important. It didn't exist for large stretches last year, at least not based on what we should expect from an Ed/Urban team (especially when most of them remembered how to execute the previous year).

I hated the fullback direct snap formation too, but the jet sweep took a gigantic step backwards last year.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Man you really get all up tight over projections/rankings which is what every coach and recruiting analyst in the country is doing. Lol you act like there's no way to view into the future to see the 6'0" 195 Zeke developing into the 6'0" 225-230 lbs freak athlete. What do you think the coaches are doing when they a Todd Sibley in the class and choose to go a different route and chase 2 other backs with better frame/speed combinations with higher ceilings. No coach in the country can tell you exactly what a player will develop into in college but you can look at the body of work and get a pretty good idea. What Do you think the coaches saw when they recruited a 6'5" 220 lacrosse player with great athleticism, they didn't picture a frame that stayed the same and was going to play safety they pictured a 6'5" 275 lbs Athletic framed DE named Sam Hubbard. The fact that you think projecting future skills is impossible is hilarious because analysts and coaches d it every day. If you paid attention to the fact that I said I increased my speed in college but could never take it past a 4.55. Their are caps to athletes speed wether you choose to believe it or not Weber will never run like Elliot. Here's another projection Emery Jones was hands down the best QB at FNL and probably the best dual threat QB I've seen since Watson and will potentially be the top QB taken in his class because he has the frame and arm talent.
Looking at next year though the offense is comparable to 2014 but will hinge on the development of the passing game and play calling. Right now I see no way with our defensive turnover that we can stop the 3 headed running attack of mayfield, perine and mixon. So how we respond after that game will be very telling. The early loss to VT really humbled and made the 2014 team hungrier and that team really thrived in the underdog role. Need to stay healthy at RB but that position will not be able to carry us like Zeke did the final 3 games of the 2014 season averaging 220+ yards per game.

What did you expect from Carlos Hyde? As high school players, Mike Weber was better than Carlos, who was a fullback. Why is it a stretch to think he can have a better college career than Carlos? They didn't expect Sam to be a DE initially, either. They didn't even know where he'd play. That's why he started at TE, went to LB, and then finally ended up at DE. They saw a big athlete and decided they'd figure out the rest later.

So, other than being 6'1 230 (which isn't a necessity for a running back, the average height for NFL RBs is between 5'10-5'11), what did Carlos Hyde have that Mike Weber doesn't have that you don't think he can produce like him?

 

[ShowMeBuck]

For all the talk about RB and WR, as the O Line goes.......so does the offense. With the so much talent at the skill positions I have little doubt that someone will emerge. But blocking needs to be solid first and foremost. 3 new starters on the line. They MUST gel quickly.

 

[Jaxbuck]

For all the talk about RB and WR, as the O Line goes.......so does the offense. With the so much talent at the skill positions I have little doubt that someone will emerge. But blocking needs to be solid first and foremost. 3 new starters on the line. They MUST gel quickly.

pretty much agree but the blocking on the outside by WR corp is nearly as critical.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

No doubt. I'm just more concerned about the O Line than the other position groups. I feel very confident in Brown and Smiths blocking ability. And I think Campbell certainly seems able bodied if his desire and technique are there. For the rest of the guys........will see soon.

We just have a pretty inexperienced O Line blocking for a very inexperienced Weber (I know Curtis and Tre have experience but Weber is the true RB)

Zeke was a member of the slobs last year and his blocking was well documented. So some pass plays he was crucial. In that light we have 2 of 5 O Lineman with experience and a RB with none.

If JT is going to be effective passing he better have some protection.

 

[ScriptOhio]

FILM STUDY: THE TRICKY BALANCE BETWEEN EFFICIENCY AND EXPLOSIVENESS ON OFFENSE

er battle and the explosive play battle in the same game, you win that game 98 percent of the time."

Those are the words of Houston head coach Tom Herman on a recent episode of Podcast Ain't Played Nobody, in which the former Ohio State offensive coordinator discussed the value of advanced statistics. But while the conversation centered on how this thinking affects the way Herman leads his current program, it's hard not to apply it to his former team as well.

The timing of the interview couldn't have been more apt, as one of the podcast's hosts, Bill Connelly, recently published his preview of the 2016 Buckeyes and laid out a possible explanation for why the 2015 team failed to live up to its championship expectations. While the offense, led by NFL-caliber talents like Ezekiel Elliott, Braxton Miller, and Michael Thomas, was the 10th-most efficient unit in the nation, it ranked only 73rd in creating explosive plays. By comparison, OSU ranked 3rd in efficiency and 21st in explosiveness during the 2014 campaign.

While there is no uniform method to measure 'explosive plays' (Herman defines them as runs of 12 yards or more and passes of 19 or more), a quick look at the stats from the past two seasons shows a clear difference in Ohio State's ability to create big plays:
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Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...tween-efficiency-and-explosiveness-on-offense

 

[bukIpower]

No doubt. I'm just more concerned about the O Line than the other position groups. I feel very confident in Brown and Smiths blocking ability. And I think Campbell certainly seems able bodied if his desire and technique are there. For the rest of the guys........will see soon.

We just have a pretty inexperienced O Line blocking for a very inexperienced Weber (I know Curtis and Tre have experience but Weber is the true RB)

Zeke was a member of the slobs last year and his blocking was well documented. So some pass plays he was crucial. In that light we have 2 of 5 O Lineman with experience and a RB with none.

If JT is going to be effective passing he better have some protection.

THREE of the top 6 lineman return from last year 4 Of the top 7 if you count Prince. No doubt we take a step back compared to our past few years but IMO it won't be as drastic as people think.

My bigger concern is RB.