2016 tOSU Offense Discussion

[buckeye4ever21]

If losing Dunn kills the team, there were bigger problems than we know.

I think all will be fine. Next man up.

Well the problem is the next man up is who exactly? Depth is the issue, you can fill athletes in there but there are a few true RBs on this team. When talking about RBs they say you need a pair and a spare. Weber is the most complete RB on the team but don't know if he can stay healthy for 20 carries per game at the college level. Samuel is tough as nails and has filled out his body but can only handle so he can handle more carries but don't see his body holding up beyond 12-15 carries especially running between the tackles and has had injuries. Williams is unproven and hasn't shown much burst. McCall has great agility and speed but lacks size and is going to have a tough time as a blocker. RB's take a beating and if Weber goes down it's basically all on Samuel and Williams. Losing Dunn kills our depth.

 

[pnuts34]

Well the problem is the next man up is who exactly? Depth is the issue, you can fill athletes in there but there are a few true RBs on this team. When talking about RBs they say you need a pair and a spare. Weber is the most complete RB on the team but don't know if he can stay healthy for 20 carries per game at the college level. Samuel is tough as nails and has filled out his body but can only handle so he can handle more carries but don't see his body holding up beyond 12-15 carries especially running between the tackles and has had injuries. Williams is unproven and hasn't shown much burst. McCall has great agility and speed but lacks size and is going to have a tough time as a blocker. RB's take a beating and if Weber goes down it's basically all on Samuel and Williams. Losing Dunn kills our depth.

Losning Dunn kills nothing. He has done next to nothing since he's been on campus. Sounds like you're reaching with your argument. When Hyde left, no one knew if a young and unproven Ezekial Elliot could stay healthy and replace the great El Guapo... Samuel and Wilson could provide great changes of pace as I'm sure the staff can find creative ways to get them mismatches. And idk where you're getting your info on Williams, the Spring Game? That's not enough to base anything off of. RBs do take a beating, and I see a committee approach to combat that beating. No need to panic. Let's not forget that Urban has never had big RBs(220lbs+) until he got to OSU, he did his damage in the running game with a big QB and a bunch of scat backs. And he did alright...

 

[Taosman]

Dunn probably was not going to beat out Weber. But he would have gotten some carries with the right attitude. I was hoping he would get it together and become El Guapo II.
Very disappointing.
We'll be OK with who we got. It's a run heavy office but Urban wants more diversity this year I guess the universe heard him.
A better mix of plays with more diversity will make for an erratic offense early but a more explosive offense later.
Hold on to your hats!

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

If the offense gets 65+ plays per game this season they'll be a juggernaut. Can't have 3 and Outs the way we did this past year with the youth everywhere. Last year they were around 66-68 I believe with the two outliers being only (45) for MSU and a whopping (85) vs ND. Dead in the middle of that consistently should me a whole lotta wins for this offense. Half of this is predicated on the defense getting off the field I know but I have a ton of confidence on that side of the ball this season.

So you're saying we need a good offense AND a good defense to win a lot of games. Sheesh!

 

[Hstead]

Urban also promised after last year tOSU offense would throw the ball and use a faster tempo next year. I hope he remembers that and I believe Dunns dismissal will remind him lol.

Let JT sling it coach.

 

[Taosman]

The defense better be able to hold it's own or we'll have a lot of exciting games!
"Exciting" as in "OMG we need another score to finish this"!

And a big question is can JT finish a season unhurt?
We're gonna need a second QB who can get the job done.
Burrow can do that.

 

[MaxBuck]

Well the problem is the next man up is who exactly? Depth is the issue, you can fill athletes in there but there are a few true RBs on this team. When talking about RBs they say you need a pair and a spare. Weber is the most complete RB on the team but don't know if he can stay healthy for 20 carries per game at the college level. Samuel is tough as nails and has filled out his body but can only handle so he can handle more carries but don't see his body holding up beyond 12-15 carries especially running between the tackles and has had injuries. Williams is unproven and hasn't shown much burst. McCall has great agility and speed but lacks size and is going to have a tough time as a blocker. RB's take a beating and if Weber goes down it's basically all on Samuel and Williams. Losing Dunn kills our depth.

We have four legitimate running backs on the roster, without going to the "athlete" well.

Chill out. We'll be fine.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

Losning Dunn kills nothing. He has done next to nothing since he's been on campus. Sounds like you're reaching with your argument. When Hyde left, no one knew if a young and unproven Ezekial Elliot could stay healthy and replace the great El Guapo... Samuel and Wilson could provide great changes of pace as I'm sure the staff can find creative ways to get them mismatches. And idk where you're getting your info on Williams, the Spring Game? That's not enough to base anything off of. RBs do take a beating, and I see a committee approach to combat that beating. No need to panic. Let's not forget that Urban has never had big RBs(220lbs+) until he got to OSU, he did his damage in the running game with a big QB and a bunch of scat backs. And he did alright...

Urbans last 2 backs here were both over 220 lbs! So don't know about your comment in that regards. I knew about Elliot's skills before he saw the field, it was just improving his strength and durability through Mickeys system. Just like Dobbins and Akers show top 5 RB potential in their respective classes. Losing Dunn just drops us from 3 ready RBs to 2. You can argue for more but I see guys either playing out of position, aren't ready physically, or haven't shown the ability of an osu starting RB.

We have four legitimate running backs on the roster, without going to the "athlete" well.

Chill out. We'll be fine.

We may have 4 RBs listed on the roster but only 2 are ready to be big ten RBs. Weber and Samuel have shown the ability but you also have to remember there's a great amount of turnover on the OL and no experience at WR. There will be struggles, I'm just saying there will be a drop off and the health and depth is an issue. I'm not sitting around worrying about the OSU RB position an injury to either Samuel or Weber will cause issues.

 

[RugbyBuck]

JT will be doing a lot of running this year. At a minimum, we need a back that is a viable threat to get the ball so that defenses can't just key on JT. I think we have that (and, obviously, more) in Weber, Samuel, and Williams.

 

[pnuts34]

Urbans last 2 backs here were both over 220 lbs! So don't know about your comment in that regards. I knew about Elliot's skills before he saw the field, it was just improving his strength and durability through Mickeys system. Just like Dobbins and Akers show top 5 RB potential in their respective classes. Losing Dunn just drops us from 3 ready RBs to 2. You can argue for more but I see guys either playing out of position, aren't ready physically, or haven't shown the ability of an osu starting RB.



We may have 4 RBs listed on the roster but only 2 are ready to be big ten RBs. Weber and Samuel have shown the ability but you also have to remember there's a great amount of turnover on the OL and no experience at WR. There will be struggles, I'm just saying there will be a drop off and the health and depth is an issue. I'm not sitting around worrying about the OSU RB position an injury to either Samuel or Weber will cause issues.

I guess you didn't read my entire post. I said before Urban got to OSU he didn't have a RB over 220lbs, I'm aware of what he had at OSU. Its kind of crazy to predict the success of Samuel based only on his size, when Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps(both under 6ft and 200lbs) both won NCs with Meyer at UF. If a committee approach is used, then multiple RBs/HBs can be used successfully. This isn't the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Losing a player with little PT in his entire career isn't much of a huge loss. And let's not act Weber wasn't a top 5-10 talent coming out of HS just like Dobbins and Akers

 

[Bestbuck36]

I'm guessing Urbans' offense this year will look a lot like Oregons with Mariota. Speed everywhere and get everything going quick quick quick.

 

[bucknut11]

Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps(both under 6ft and 200lbs) both won NCs with Meyer at UF. If a committee approach is used, then multiple RBs/HBs can be used successfully.

I dug this out from an old email (used to be on the O-Zone, but the link doesn't work any more). I'd love to see something like what UFM & the Gators did back in 2008. 4 guys over 600 yards, none of them ran for more than 700 yards.

• Tebow: 673 yards, 12 TD
• Harvin: 660 yards, 10 TD
• Rainey: 652 yards, 4 TD
• Demps: 605 yards, 7 TD
• Moody: 417 yards, 1 TD

That Gator team averaged 231 yards per game rushing. They carried the ball 5 more times than the Buckeyes that season and rushed for 734 more yards and 21 more touchdowns in the process.

 

[pnuts34]

I dug this out from an old email (used to be on the O-Zone, but the link doesn't work any more). I'd love to see something like what UFM & the Gators did back in 2008. 4 guys over 600 yards, none of them ran for more than 700 yards.

• Tebow: 673 yards, 12 TD
• Harvin: 660 yards, 10 TD
• Rainey: 652 yards, 4 TD
• Demps: 605 yards, 7 TD
• Moody: 417 yards, 1 TD

That Gator team averaged 231 yards per game rushing. They carried the ball 5 more times than the Buckeyes that season and rushed for 734 more yards and 21 more touchdowns in the process.

That's some serious balance. But that team had smaller RBs that couldn't take the amount of carries that a guy like Weber can, IMO. If Weber were to stay hhealthy and hit his stride, I see Urban riding him and occasionally inserting a Samuel or Williams

 

[buckeye4ever21]

I guess you didn't read my entire post. I said before Urban got to OSU he didn't have a RB over 220lbs, I'm aware of what he had at OSU. Its kind of crazy to predict the success of Samuel based only on his size, when Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps(both under 6ft and 200lbs) both won NCs with Meyer at UF. If a committee approach is used, then multiple RBs/HBs can be used successfully. This isn't the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Losing a player with little PT in his entire career isn't much of a huge loss. And let's not act Weber wasn't a top 5-10 talent coming out of HS just like Dobbins and Akers

Weber is in that 2nd tier of backs in his recruiting class, he's a little undersized and doesn't have that second level burst to take it to the house. He's a great back that does everything well but you can't put home run speed in a guy that doesn't have it. I didn't say anything about Samuel and his size keeping him from being a great back, he compares to Rainey, Demps and Harvin but they all can't take the beating of a full time RB position. Lesean McCoy and Jamaal Charles are 2 exceptions in the size category. Just saying we are going to need a RB by committee approach and we can't lose anymore bodies.

 

[pnuts34]

Weber is in that 2nd tier of backs in his recruiting class, he's a little undersized and doesn't have that second level burst to take it to the house. He's a great back that does everything well but you can't put home run speed in a guy that doesn't have it. I didn't say anything about Samuel and his size keeping him from being a great back, he compares to Rainey, Demps and Harvin but they all can't take the beating of a full time RB position. Lesean McCoy and Jamaal Charles are 2 exceptions in the size category. Just saying we are going to need a RB by committee approach and we can't lose anymore bodies.

2nd tier? He was the #9 ranked RB in his class! How is that 2nd tier? And you don't have to be a home run threat to be a great RB, or an even very good one. He he moves the chains, finds holes, and blocks wells and he can find himself over 1000yds. There are actually very few home run threats I'm CFB and in the NFL. And how can you say he undersized when he's pretty much the same weight as Zeke when he started as a RS frosh? Zeke is NOW 225 after 3yrs in the Mariotti system and Weber is only 10lbs lighter as a RS frosh.
I do agree that we'll need a committee approach. But the injury comment is true every year. But that's why Urban recruits well, when someone goes down, the next man up. You don't sign up to be a Buckeye if you're not ready for the spotlight at any time during your collegiate career. Weber's size is fine, and throw in Samuel as a change of pace at times and Williams to pound the ball similar to Weber. And if you don't think that Weber can take it to the house, look at his highlights again, the kid has better speed than you think...