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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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Coqui said:
Very large, yet still almost half the number of Ohio State. Both graduate and undergraduate for Bama was 34,852. Ohio State was 64,868.
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But compare the stated figure of under 40,000 in their alum association -- basically equal enrollment.
Then compare the 500,000+ in Ohio State's alum association -- basically 10x enrollment.

That's interesting in and of itself. Of course there's this nonsense...

Enduro R said:
Correct. It seems that most alumni donate to the sports program. They also join more sports related clubs for alumni in order to get preferred seating at sporting events. The funds still seem to find their way to the front office for academic scholarships, etc.
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I have some beach front property with a bridge if anyone is buying?
 
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zincfinger said:
I think changes in total population distribution are a small-to-negligible factor in the increased strength of southeastern football compared to midwestern football over the past 50-60 years.
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In your opinion, what is the biggest factor then?

I know correlation does not equal causation but the population shift to the South seems like a damn good reason for the increased power of football in that part of the country. Statistically they are just bound to have more good players than they did 40 years ago.
 
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Michael Bluth said:
In your opinion, what is the biggest factor then?

I know correlation does not equal causation but the population shift to the South seems like a damn good reason for the increased power of football in that part of the country. Statistically they are just bound to have more good players than they did 40 years ago.
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This whole discussion is valid but probably belongs in another thread. So I feel bad adding to it here, but I'll throw in a couple things. Football participation -much higher participation rates in rural areas, so population equations have always been somewhat misleading because while populations in the north are higher, they tend to have higher concentration in urban areas. So participation rates in the South have always been higher and that's likely to continue as it's more rural. I'm not sure what that really means, but I suspect it impacts quality of player. One other thing, there are probably genetic differences in the South that date themselves back to the 1600s. It is often stated by the politically incorrect that the boys are bigger down in the South. Perhaps there is truth to it tied to genetics.
 
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I've been watching some tape of OSU this year. I think they look a lot like Mississippi State, and not so much like Auburn.
The 40 yd dash numbers support that. You have to have a blazing fast QB to look like Auburn.

Nick Marshall - 40yd dash - 4.48
JT Barrett - 40 yd dash - 4.67
Cardale - 40 yd dash - 4.88
Dak Prescott - 40 yd dash - 4.68
 
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kujirakira said:
The interesting thing is that Bama has a very large enrollment as well; yet practically nobody in the alumni association.
I like that somebody claimed they donate to the athletics directly and somehow it finds it's way to academic scholarships :lol: I'm not sure if they think we're stupid or they're naive.
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I am the one that made the statement. To think that successful athletics has no trickle down affect on academic scholarships simply is not true. The University of Alabama has had such a huge surplus in the last decade that the available academic scholarships have increased quite significantly. That surplus is directly correlated with the success of its athletic programs. Football, golf, gymnastics, etc. They all have a huge trickle down effect. And to be quite honest, I would wager that a hefty portion of that is attributed by the fan base. Not alumni.
 
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Enduro R said:
I am the one that made the statement. To think that successful athletics has no trickle down affect on academic scholarships simply is not true. The University of Alabama has had such a huge surplus in the last decade that the available academic scholarships have increased quite significantly. That surplus is directly correlated with the success of its athletic programs. Football, golf, gymnastics, etc. They all have a huge trickle down effect. And to be quite honest, I would wager that a hefty portion of that is attributed by the fan base. Not alumni.
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Sure. Donations to the Athletic Department result in Academic Scholarships.
Rationalize however you need, it's still laughable bs.
 
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Gcashwell said:
I've been watching some tape of OSU this year. I think they look a lot like Mississippi State, and not so much like Auburn.
The 40 yd dash numbers support that. You have to have a blazing fast QB to look like Auburn.

Nick Marshall - 40yd dash - 4.48
JT Barrett - 40 yd dash - 4.67
Cardale - 40 yd dash - 4.88
Dak Prescott - 40 yd dash - 4.68
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Nick Marshall opens up that offense so much. Draft Scout has a low of 4.38 for him and he looks it. His first steps are so quick. It will be interesting to see what his combine speed is. They stretched the field very well in both directions. Having 2 WR that could go in the first round made a huge difference. It keeps the safety in the middle. I haven't watched too much on tOSU, just the snaps with Jones, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of flashes from talent on tOSU team. A lot of it is not relevant though because Alabama will not face JT Barrett.
 
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Enduro R said:
I am the one that made the statement. To think that successful athletics has no trickle down affect on academic scholarships simply is not true. The University of Alabama has had such a huge surplus in the last decade that the available academic scholarships have increased quite significantly. That surplus is directly correlated with the success of its athletic programs. Football, golf, gymnastics, etc. They all have a huge trickle down effect. And to be quite honest, I would wager that a hefty portion of that is attributed by the fan base. Not alumni.
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This is a specific enough claim that you should be able to provide some sort of link to back it up...
 
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Michael Bluth said:
In your opinion, what is the biggest factor then?

I know correlation does not equal causation but the population shift to the South seems like a damn good reason for the increased power of football in that part of the country. Statistically they are just bound to have more good players than they did 40 years ago.
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If you look at "40 yrs ago" southern states were winning championships then as well. That would have been the 70's. You have to go back to pre-1908 when CFB was in its infancy to not see a southern state with a national championship. Its quite interesting if you look back through the years and see who was who throughout the decades of the past. The ivy league schools started it off.
 
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Gcashwell said:
I understand. Earlier (perhaps even in the other thread) someone was saying OSU's offense was very similar to Auburn's. It doesn't look that way on film, and you don't look like Auburn without a QB with elite speed.
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I don't know about Auburn, but I don't think we look anything like Miss St. Their skill positions aren't that great, and if Cardale plays like Dak we're screwed.
This offense is all about distributing the ball to the 10 skill positions and enabling them to make plays.
 
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