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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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SECorBust said:
Nick Marshall opens up that offense so much. Draft Scout has a low of 4.38 for him and he looks it. His first steps are so quick. It will be interesting to see what his combine speed is. They stretched the field very well in both directions. Having 2 WR that could go in the first round made a huge difference. It keeps the safety in the middle. I haven't watched too much on tOSU, just the snaps with Jones, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of flashes from talent on tOSU team. A lot of it is not relevant though because Alabama will not face JT Barrett.
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Sammie Coates is listed at a 4.36 40 with a low of 4.24!
Duke Williams is listed at 4.54

Devin Smith is listed at 4.48
Michael Thomas is 4.56 and is built a lot like Duke.

These two guys are physically capable of giving bama fits.
 
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Michael Bluth said:
In your opinion, what is the biggest factor then?

I know correlation does not equal causation but the population shift to the South seems like a damn good reason for the increased power of football in that part of the country. Statistically they are just bound to have more good players than they did 40 years ago.
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Three factors:
1) Black athletes are disproportionately successful at the highest levels of football. For example, nearly 70% of NFL players self-identified as black in a recent, informal "NFL census".
2) States within the SEC footprint have, on average, significantly higher black populations, not just by percentage, but by total numbers, than states in the BigTen footprint have.
3) In 1960, black athletes were not allowed to participate in varsity sports at SEC schools, whereas today they are welcomed.
 
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kujirakira said:
Sure. Donations to the Athletic Department result in Academic Scholarships.
Rationalize however you need, it's still laughable bs.
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Oh, its laughable all right. Laughable all the way to be bank. I don't know whats so hard to understand about my statement. I guess I need to post the link for you as well. And just keep in mind the big gap in the numbers you guys are talking about between the OSU and Alabama alumni.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/10/alabama_reports_1434_million_i.html
 
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Steve19 said:
I think you missed a few points.

You can't join the Ohio State Alumni Association unless you are an Ohio State graduate.

Ohio State leads the nation in active fans and in dues-paying alumni. The margins are roughly 2 to 1 and 15 to 1 over Alabama, respectively.

The original point was that Alabama would travel better than Ohio State. Given these much larger numbers and the large numbers of Buckeyes in the South, especially retirees, I think we've refuted that argument and we can move on, don't you?
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Coqui said:
irrelevant.

My point was, the alumni base itself. There's 500,000 dues paying alumni. With 50,000+ graduating every 4 years, you can figure out how many don't pay dues.
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It's obvious you two have not been following what the alumni association has been doing. The alumni association no longer collects dues. In order to encourage the alumni to give back to the university, they switched to a gift based model. Prior to 2012, the alumni association had two levels, dues paying members and lifetime members. In 2012, the structure was changed to the following:

Basic members: All graduates of OSU. No dues, no paperwork, just automatically members. There are some benefits such as access to online alumni magazine, online library access, and affiliation discounts.

Sustaining members: Instead of dues, members give at least a $75 tax deductible gift to an OSU fund of their choice. These include gifts to sustaining funds for colleges and programs, scholarships, the medical center, the Spielman fund, and even athletics. This level comes with more benefits such as in person library access, golf course membership eligibility, and the football ticket lottery.

Lifetime members: Phased out, but those alumni who were already lifetime members are allowed to keep it.

The numbers you are comparing are not really equivalent. The over 500,000 you reference are all graduates of Ohio State (basic members). The 34,000 for Alabama are members giving gifts to their alumni association. I would guess the OSU has more sustaining members than that (couldn't find the number), but they are also able to designate where their money goes. It's possible that Alabama has just as many alumni donating to their university, just not to the alumni association. Also, Alabama does not have a football ticket lottery which would likely increase their membership.
 
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zincfinger said:
Three factors:
1) Black athletes are disproportionately successful at the highest levels of football. For example, nearly 70% of NFL players self-identified as black in a recent, informal "NFL census".
2) States within the SEC footprint have, on average, significantly higher black populations, not just by percentage, but by total numbers, than states in the BigTen footprint have.
3) In 1960, black athletes were not allowed to participate in varsity sports at SEC schools, whereas today they are welcomed.
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What you say is indeed true enough. But your statement has nothing to do with football success when compared to other parts of the US. There is no pattern to support your claim if you look at past championships. I seem to remember Nebraska had a great run for several years and had less black atheletes than almost anyone at that time. That was in the 80's.
 
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kujirakira said:
I don't know about Auburn, but I don't think we look anything like Miss St. Their skill positions aren't that great, and if Cardale plays like Dak we're screwed.
This offense is all about distributing the ball to the 10 skill positions and enabling them to make plays.
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Miss State was held under 31 pts three times. Dak was in the running for the Heisman for a good chunk of the season. He is also very hard to tackle with decent speed. I would take a comparison to that team as a compliment.

If Cardale throws three picks like Dak did, yes you're done. But that was an atypical game for Dak.
 
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Enduro R said:
Oh, its laughable all right. Laughable all the way to be bank. I don't know whats so hard to understand about my statement. I guess I need to post the link for you as well. And just keep in mind the big gap in the numbers you guys are talking about between the OSU and Alabama alumni.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/10/alabama_reports_1434_million_i.html
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So athletic revenues are way up when the football team is successful. Not really the point you were making, but sure, I believe it.
 
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20 million people are going to have more D1 athletes than 10 million people. To think otherwise is ludicrous.
Gcashwell said:
Sammie Coates is listed at a 4.36 40 with a low of 4.24!
Duke Williams is listed at 4.54

Devin Smith is listed at 4.48
Michael Thomas is 4.56 and is built a lot like Duke.

These two guys are physically capable of giving bama fits.
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Jalin Marshall is listed as a 4.40 and he'll be on the field with them on most plays.
 
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