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2015 Offense Discussion

@Jaxbuck- Is there anything about the average 3rd down distance to go?

Seems like the offense isn't getting into a lot of "3rd and short" situations, but that's purely perception on my part, not sure if there are stats to back that up. Mostly my perception due to the common false start and holding penalties that back the team up and also they don't seem to ride Zeke on 1st AND 2nd down too often, seems like there is always an incomplete deep pass on the early downs.

I see the opposite, too many runs on first down. I just rewatched the IU game and we ran on 1st down a ton. I like to see more play action on first down myself. We had several 3rd and shorts and Cardale tried to run on three of them, a designed QB draw, speed option, and a read option. They all came up short.
 
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And what is going on with Braxton Miller. Did anyone notice that we didn't line him up for a direct snap. Thank God. Maybe when we do that again, he should throw the ball because when in the wildcat everyone knows it's going to be a run. What a waste of an athlete. Someone please figure out how to play him.
 
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@Jaxbuck- Is there anything about the average 3rd down distance to go?

Seems like the offense isn't getting into a lot of "3rd and short" situations, but that's purely perception on my part, not sure if there are stats to back that up. Mostly my perception due to the common false start and holding penalties that back the team up and also they don't seem to ride Zeke on 1st AND 2nd down too often, seems like there is always an incomplete deep pass on the early downs.
cardale did that frequently in the sugar bowl, he just had a Santa sized bag of magic beans to use in those situations
 
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I see the opposite, too many runs on first down. I just rewatched the IU game and we ran on 1st down a ton. I like to see more play action on first down myself. We had several 3rd and shorts and Cardale tried to run on three of them, a designed QB draw, speed option, and a read option. They all came up short.
Good perspective.

Maybe I'm just noticing a lot of "wasted" downs overall- whether it's an incompletion, a Braxcat QB draw, a horribly executed speed option. Just all telegraphed plays.
 
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Good perspective.

Maybe I'm just noticing a lot of "wasted" downs overall- whether it's an incompletion, a Braxcat QB draw, a horribly executed speed option. Just all telegraphed plays.
What do you mean by telegraphed? You mean the plays where your 4 year old daughter says "ole that number 1 guy is going to run sideways again daddy" or the play where your wife says "is this the one where the big guy tries to climb over all of the other big guys in the middle"?
 
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What do you mean by telegraphed? You mean the plays where your 4 year old daughter says "ole that number 1 guy is going to run sideways again daddy" or the play where your wife says "is this the one where the big guy tries to climb over all of the other big guys in the middle"?
No its the one where someone throws a banana peel on the field again and the offense walks backwards for 5 yards and then on the next play the big QB throws it to a friend in C deck while being chased by the bad guys
 
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3rd down is a problem, but I think at this point it's tertiary to two much bigger issues:
- Redzone
- Turnovers...
Looking at those numbers...RedZone scoring percentage is 77% (FG & TD)...last year it was 85%...
Total red zone conversion rate (touchdowns plus field goals) is misleading, in my opinion. Look at the red zone touchdown conversion rate. Last year, OSU scored a touchdown on nearly 72% of red zone trips. That's a solid number. This year, OSU is scoring touchdowns so far on 37.5% of red zone appearances. That's no good.

If you examine OSU's relative inability to score touchdowns in the red zone, and OSU's relative inability to convert third downs, I suspect you can find some similarities.
 
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I still blame this all largely on coaching.

Herman wasn't perfect by any means, but my general impression was that he was like a boxer. You could tell throughout the game that he had a plan- particularly when things were going well (obviously).

He seemed like he had a strategy, a set of plays that were the bread and butter (the jab), and then a set of plays to take advantage of a team trying to stop the bread and butter (the upper cut or knock out punch). Throughout the game is was apparent Herman had a plan to mix his set of plays together to keep the defense off balance and the offense rolling.

Herman wasn't always perfect and when a defense knocked him off his game he was just as flawed as anyone else at times, but he always had a plan.

Right now I am sadly reminded of the Bollman days when it seemed like the coaches rely on pulling plays out of a hat on any given down. There is no plan, there is no cohesion.

People have pointed this out before, but that could be because there is no bread and butter plays yet with Cardale at quarterback- that seems more than a bit inexcusable at this point.

Establish your bread and butter run plays (counters to EzE, for instance). Establish the run plays to counter the bread and butter (jet sweeps to Braxton, Samuel, or Marshall, for instance). Throw the ball with your NFL caliber arm (with the caveat that the WRs stop sucking and consistently catch it).

Establish an identity, which starts with establishing a set of go-to plays. Start calling plays like you have a game plan to keep defenses off balance.

It's funny, because with all of the weapons on offense my worry was the team would get too cute on offense trying to utilize it all. I thought, no way, Warriner is old school, if anything we will pound the rock too much.

I don't know what the hell happened, but it is an absolute mess. Warriner is a great offensive line coach, but at this point, without a drastic turnaround, I am on board with a complete overhaul of the offensive coaching staff following this season.
 
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I still blame this all largely on coaching.

Herman wasn't perfect by any means, but my general impression was that he was like a boxer. You could tell throughout the game that he had a plan- particularly when things were going well (obviously).

He seemed like he had a strategy, a set of plays that were the bread and butter (the jab), and then a set of plays to take advantage of a team trying to stop the bread and butter (the upper cut or knock out punch). Throughout the game is was apparent Herman had a plan to mix his set of plays together to keep the defense off balance and the offense rolling.

Herman wasn't always perfect and when a defense knocked him off his game he was just as flawed as anyone else at times, but he always had a plan.

Right now I am sadly reminded of the Bollman days when it seemed like the coaches rely on pulling plays out of a hat on any given down. There is no plan, there is no cohesion.

People have pointed this out before, but that could be because there is no bread and butter plays yet with Cardale at quarterback- that seems more than a bit inexcusable at this point.

Establish your bread and butter run plays (counters to EzE, for instance). Establish the run plays to counter the bread and butter (jet sweeps to Braxton, Samuel, or Marshall, for instance). Throw the ball with your NFL caliber arm (with the caveat that the WRs stop sucking and consistently catch it).

Establish an identity, which starts with establishing a set of go-to plays. Start calling plays like you have a game plan to keep defenses off balance.

It's funny, because with all of the weapons on offense my worry was the team would get too cute on offense trying to utilize it all. I thought, no way, Warriner is old school, if anything we will pound the rock too much.

I don't know what the hell happened, but it is an absolute mess. Warriner is a great offensive line coach, but at this point, without a drastic turnaround, I am on board with a complete overhaul of the offensive coaching staff following this season.

Yes! This, this, this. Damnit.
 
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You have to think at this point the players and coaches have had all the mediocrity they can stand. Of course I hoped they would feel that was after Hawaii but now that we had the inept red zone production against a Big 10 foe I think it makes a difference.
 
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I have to agree with 86 on the coaching aspect, what happened to playing fast? They are lucky to have the play called with any more than 10 seconds on the clock most of the time and then are rushing to read the defense and get the ball snapped.

All of the mistakes I see on a weekly basis seem to be the same ones over and over, that falls on coaching.
 
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I have to agree with 86 on the coaching aspect, what happened to playing fast? They are lucky to have the play called with any more than 10 seconds on the clock most of the time and then are rushing to read the defense and get the ball snapped.

All of the mistakes I see on a weekly basis seem to be the same ones over and over, that falls on coaching.

Agreed. Tempo is king.

I am now nervous that Marshall will fumble any time he touches the ball. Elliott can not be the entire O, bailing them out. It's just a matter of time unless they pick up the tempo and get something else working.
 
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Agreed. Tempo is king.

I am now nervous that Marshall will fumble any time he touches the ball. Elliott can not be the entire O, bailing them out. It's just a matter of time unless they pick up the tempo and get something else working.
Which is a matter of having a plan and thinking a few plays ahead at all times.

It's hard to go uptempo when you seemingly pull the next play out of a hat every time.

Once again, Herman was very good at thinking a few steps ahead in his play calling and hitting defenses with fast paced combos of plays.

The current staff is doing very badly at that thus far.
 
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3rd down is a problem, but I think at this point it's tertiary to two much bigger issues:
- Redzone
- Turnovers

YPG is great and all... but meaningless if you stall close to the endzone.
The turnovers are a team issue, but Cardale is in the thick of it as one of the violators.
The Redzone is largely on Cardale imo.

To the contrary, here's Urban's opinion:

“There’s not one problem. It’s a variety of problems." — On the red zone struggles.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2015/10/60922/urban-meyer-presser-bullets-maryland
 
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