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2015 Offense Discussion

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
What are the numbers if you take away the home runs? It doesn't seem like we know how to do any drives....it's either a long EZ touchdown or a punt waiting to happen.
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That is captured in points per play which is very good but down somewhat from last year which was excellent.

For the season so far, the biggest departure from 2015 is the third down numbers I listed above.

RZ attempts are down significantly as well.

RZ conversion percentage and TO's aren't great but they aren't that far off from 2015.
 
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kujirakira said:
Fair enough. It's still fresh in my mind.
The 3rd downs are also terrible, not trying to take away from it... but... just hate seeing turnovers and wasted redzone trips.
As are the penalties you pointed out.
There's a lot of inefficiency going on right now and there isn't any 1 single problem (though the Cardale lovers seem to get easily offended if you bring up his part in it)
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One thing stats can never capture is the timing of things. The stall outs this year just seem to kill any and all rhythm...and believe me during the games I am as frustrated as anyone.

I'm just trying to look at what is different from 2015 in terms of numbers now that we have 5 games to work with (still a small sample size, no doubt)
 
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kujirakira said:
1. Jalin
2. Cardale
3. Is clearly on Cardale -- both were open and he missed not once, but twice
4. Team, incl Cardale
5. Cardale and Thomas
6. Cardale sacked alone is enough to give him responsibility, it's also QB's responsibility to organize the team presnap
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Like I said--you can spin the facts however you'd like in an attempt to stump for JT. #6 is a great case in point--you blame Cardale for a red zone failure, when he tossed a TD that was negated on Braxton's penalty, and you further blame him for Boren's snapping the ball before Cardale was ready for it.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Like I said--you can spin the facts however you'd like in an attempt to stump for JT. #6 is a great case in point--you blame Cardale for a red zone failure, when he tossed a TD that was negated on Braxton's penalty, and you further blame him for Boren's snapping the ball before Cardale was ready for it.
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Can you blame him for that terrible interception? Or the sacks where he just runs around in the backfield without trying to actually go forward? Or the awful throws to open WRs in the endzone?
 
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I'm not stumping for JT.
Sorry if you don't like the facts. QB is responsible for getting team organized on the field. QB is responsible for making good throws.
Crediting him for a jet sweep "pass" is also rather disingenuous. I'd be first to admit JT's stats last year were inflated by those plays. It's not like he broke Brees' record throwing downfield.

JT isn't the starter. Stop trying to make every criticism of Cardale about JT as a way to derail the topic.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...s-14-b1g-ccg-mvp.617248/page-132#post-2675073
I'm not trying to pick on Cardale here... but if this is going to be a playoff team, he needs to play a lot better. Same goes for JT... but he's not starting, so it's pointless to discuss it.
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http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...erback-discussion.633317/page-98#post-2675044
kujirakira said:
I don't think JT is the man right now. It's equally concerning that he can't beat out Cardale despite these issues.
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http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...erback-discussion.633317/page-95#post-2670710
kujirakira said:
If it continues from last week, I consider the competition over. If Cardale can avoid another NIU-esque disaster (and it really was a disastrous performance) and continue making improvements it's all gravy. I commented after the Hawaii game that the tempo between the two was very noticeable -- and they clearly worked on that with Cardale.
The future is bright =)
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I am willing to lay some of the blame of 3rd down conversions on the play calling. A few of the third down plays were embarrassing to say the least.

I also put the "bad snap" on Cardale and the coaches 50-50, Boren snapped it when the clock hit 0. Cardale was clueless the play clock had even gotten that low, so that is 100% his fault and his responsibility, and the coaches could have called a TO when they recognized Cardale was not paying attention to the expiring clock.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I'm sure your numbers are right, it's just kind of hard to believe that RZ conversion % isn't that far off. Further underscores how critical some are. The expectations for this team are out of control.
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Out of control expectations need to get their fair share of discussion imo

35PPG and 450+ ypg
5-0
#1 ranking

and people are by and large unhappy
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Out of control expectations need to get their fair share of discussion imo

35PPG and 450+ ypg
5-0
#1 ranking

and people are by and large unhappy
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I was going to respond earlier to your "frustrated" post... but decided not to, b/c it is frustrating... but it's hardly doom and gloom either.
It's not like we haven't seen this before... great defense, suspect/struggling offense. That could be said for much of the Tressel era. I'm "comfortable" in this area.
Perhaps the repeat NC expectations are unfair... but that is where the concern/criticism comes from. There are high expectations of this team. Not just from fans either. They aren't unrealistic expectations either. Outsiders expected Ohio State to be playoff caliber. The players and coaches set these goals for themselves as well. Even early in 2014, the line was that 2015 would be "our year". It happened early... and is/was amazing.

If this team drops a game, I think all the tension would go away. I found myself wondering during Indiana if it almost wouldn't be better for them to lose it and have that early "bad loss". The crazies going after Cardale on twitter would've been even nuttier... but at least it would've been out of the way then. Like Machiavelli said -- if you're gonna piss people off it's best to do it all at once in a massive violation than small little violations extended over a long period of time. I think that works on many levels... it'd almost be better to just drop a game and have that come-to-Jesus than continue "winning bad". Because these close games to inferior competition haven't served as the requisite wake-up call.

Something isn't "right" on offense... none of the players look like they're enjoying themselves at all. They look more likely to choke each other over a game of checkers than the opponent.
 
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kujirakira said:
I was going to respond earlier to your "frustrated" post... but decided not to, b/c it is frustrating... but it's hardly doom and gloom either.
It's not like we haven't seen this before... great defense, suspect/struggling offense. That could be said for much of the Tressel era. I'm "comfortable" in this area.
Perhaps the repeat NC expectations are unfair... but that is where the concern/criticism comes from. There are high expectations of this team. Not just from fans either. They aren't unrealistic expectations either. Outsiders expected Ohio State to be playoff caliber. The players and coaches set these goals for themselves as well. Even early in 2014, the line was that 2015 would be "our year". It happened early... and is/was amazing.

If this team drops a game, I think all the tension would go away. I found myself wondering during Indiana if it almost wouldn't be better for them to lose it and have that early "bad loss". The crazies going after Cardale on twitter would've been even nuttier... but at least it would've been out of the way then. Like Machiavelli said -- if you're gonna piss people off it's best to do it all at once in a massive violation than small little violations extended over a long period of time. I think that works on many levels... it'd almost be better to just drop a game and have that come-to-Jesus than continue "winning bad". Because these close games to inferior competition haven't served as the requisite wake-up call.

Something isn't "right" on offense... none of the players look like they're enjoying themselves at all. They look more likely to choke each other over a game of checkers than the opponent.
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Agree with you except for the parallel to Tressel years.

Now, there is proven talent and coaching that is just having execution problems trying to take an above average offense to an elite offense.

Most often during the Tressel years the defense first mentality left us hoping against hope that a bad offense could just become passable enough to win.
 
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I'm not sure JT would make much difference right now. Everyone is playing us with all 11 guys up at the line of scrimmage. The offense is not going to be consistent until we force defenses to defend all of the field.

And the turnovers don't help either.
 
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The expectations for this team were going to be insane the minute Urban stated that the team was a year off from winning an NC last year. Fans and the media jumped all over that because how much talent was returning, and if we won it last year then, they must be even better with so many guys coming back. I rolled my eyes at so many posts that stated that this would be the greatest Buckeye team ever, or the greatest offense ever, before a game was even played. Being a unanimous #1 team made the expectations even more insane. The offense looks so tight, like they're only looking for the big play instead of sustained first downs on drives. Everyone wants a highlight instead of just gaining yards. The funniest thing of all, is that the parity in CFB is creating even more craziness underneath us. If they can just win, they're fine, because I can't even guess what other teams would be in the playoff with so many top 10 teams losing yesterday. Our team is drawing too many on field parallels to the 2014 FSU team who also played tight, and won too many close games, yet saw themselves in the playoff by winning. I hope we don't face a hungry team with similar talent, or we could be screwed. Kids need to find that fire they had, but it's hard when you're on top of the mountain
 
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@Jaxbuck- Is there anything about the average 3rd down distance to go?

Seems like the offense isn't getting into a lot of "3rd and short" situations, but that's purely perception on my part, not sure if there are stats to back that up. Mostly my perception due to the common false start and holding penalties that back the team up and also they don't seem to ride Zeke on 1st AND 2nd down too often, seems like there is always an incomplete deep pass on the early downs.
 
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