• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

2015 Offense Discussion

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
Zander42 said:
Well put. I'm with you in that I don't think it's exactly what he's doing, but he will definitely take advantage of the situation. I do think that he's using the early season to experiment and vet some areas of the offense. For instance, when the announcers say "they should just feed Zeke" for two weeks straight. Well, Urban knows that his team could cruise to an easy win by doing that. Instead he is trying out more pro style plays, intermediate passing, stuff like that. If it works well, he has even more tools for the toolbox, if it doesn't (and it hasn't) he creates 'adversity' for a loaded team full of future NFL talent. Win-win.

I wonder if last week things got a little bit out of hand with all of the turnovers. Wouldn't be surprised to see the offense come out swinging today.
Click to expand...

My daughter played HS hoops for a guy who has won a bunch of OHSAA championships and averages going to the final 4 about every other year. The guy is a master psychologist (without a degree). I've seen him intentionally lose games to have a tool to get them to win later - and do other stuff that seems wrong, but he will sacrifice now to gain something later. As far as individual players, he has told me that he intentionally breaks down half of his team at one time. He will ignore them, criticize them harshly, bench them, and all kinds of things, and when he thinks they have had enough, he starts telling them how great they are, putting them in key situations and asking them to win the game - while simultaneously beginning to break down the other half of the team. By late Feb he builds them all up, and it's hard to argue with the results. This guy has taught me that there is a level of psychological manipulation going on in coaching that I had never knew was going on, and that there is a method to what appears to be madness.

If a HS girls coach is doing this kind of stuff, it's hard for me to believe that Urban isn't playing mind games that are in the same neighborhood. It wouldn't be hard to hold down an offense. You just go with stuff you know they aren't the best at and you hold back on what they are good at. For example, everyone on this board, the opposition, and everyone else who understands a lick of football knows that when Braxton is playing QB it is a QB draw, or maybe some kind of option. He hasn't been able to do squat with those plays, and won't be able to until he throws a couple of passes out of it. I think this may be an example of where Urban is accepting nothing now for a big payoff later.

Regardless, it will be fun to see it all develop.
 
Upvote 0
OSUK said:
My daughter played HS hoops for a guy who has won a bunch of OHSAA championships and averages going to the final 4 about every other year. The guy is a master psychologist (without a degree). I've seen him intentionally lose games to have a tool to get them to win later - and do other stuff that seems wrong, but he will sacrifice now to gain something later. As far as individual players, he has told me that he intentionally breaks down half of his team at one time. He will ignore them, criticize them harshly, bench them, and all kinds of things, and when he thinks they have had enough, he starts telling them how great they are, putting them in key situations and asking them to win the game - while simultaneously beginning to break down the other half of the team. By late Feb he builds them all up, and it's hard to argue with the results. This guy has taught me that there is a level of psychological manipulation going on in coaching that I had never knew was going on, and that there is a method to what appears to be madness.

If a HS girls coach is doing this kind of stuff, it's hard for me to believe that Urban isn't playing mind games that are in the same neighborhood. It wouldn't be hard to hold down an offense. You just go with stuff you know they aren't the best at and you hold back on what they are good at. For example, everyone on this board, the opposition, and everyone else who understands a lick of football knows that when Braxton is playing QB it is a QB draw, or maybe some kind of option. He hasn't been able to do squat with those plays, and won't be able to until he throws a couple of passes out of it. I think this may be an example of where Urban is accepting nothing now for a big payoff later.

Regardless, it will be fun to see it all develop.
Click to expand...
No offense to you or to anyone who thinks this is on purpose... But there's no way a coach is going to purposely lose a game or try to make the game close. Coaches know that there will be teaching points, things to learn from, and motivation to be had from even the biggest of blow outs. Especially at Urban's level of coaching there's no way with what he has on the line in needing to win impressively that he would risk losing just so he can motivate. Could you imagine asking coach "hey coach are you blowing games on purpose so you can motivate?" I'm honestly pretty confident he would do the following 1) Stare at you, 2) Yell at you, 3) tell you to get the Fuck out of the room.

Sometimes things just take time to gel, and that's exactly what we are seeing here this year. It's not 2014 like we seem to think were we rolled through CFB and to NCG. We are again starting a new QB for the most part (only 3 games experience, although they're big games), we are missing some very key players on offense, and our great OC is now a head coach at a 4-0 team at Houston. You combine those things with a good effort by the opponent and you get the results we've had the last 2 weeks prior to WMU. We aren't so good that Urban is all like "hey guys lets just purposely make people false start, hold, bobble snaps, throw picks, and unprotect the QB while we're at it". Sometimes it just takes time.

Same goes for the girls coach you just mentioned there's no doubt that tearing people down and building them up is apart of the game but I seriously doubt he tanks games just so he can prove a point, and honestly if he does he should be ashamed of himself because those girls deserve someone who is playing to win every single game (coming from a guy who's father is also a varsity head coach).
 
Upvote 0
bukIpower said:
No offense to you or to anyone who thinks this is on purpose... But there's no way a coach is going to purposely lose a game or try to make the game close. Coaches know that there will be teaching points, things to learn from, and motivation to be had from even the biggest of blow outs. Especially at Urban's level of coaching there's no way with what he has on the line in needing to win impressively that he would risk losing just so he can motivate. Could you imagine asking coach "hey coach are you blowing games on purpose so you can motivate?" I'm honestly pretty confident he would do the following 1) Stare at you, 2) Yell at you, 3) tell you to get the Fuck out of the room.

Sometimes things just take time to gel, and that's exactly what we are seeing here this year. It's not 2014 like we seem to think were we rolled through CFB and to NCG. We are again starting a new QB for the most part (only 3 games experience, although they're big games), we are missing some very key players on offense, and our great OC is now a head coach at a 4-0 team at Houston. You combine those things with a good effort by the opponent and you get the results we've had the last 2 weeks prior to WMU. We aren't so good that Urban is all like "hey guys lets just purposely make people false start, hold, bobble snaps, throw picks, and unprotect the QB while we're at it". Sometimes it just takes time.

Same goes for the girls coach you just mentioned there's no doubt that tearing people down and building them up is apart of the game but I seriously doubt he tanks games just so he can prove a point, and honestly if he does he should be ashamed of himself because those girls deserve someone who is playing to win every single game (coming from a guy who's father is also a varsity head coach).
Click to expand...

First of all, I specifically said in a prior post that I didn't believe Urban was necessarily orchestrating the struggle - but it does give him fodder for some mind games. But I gave a couple of examples of how he could do it if he wanted to. Didn't mean to imply that these are definitely examples of it.

I understand what you are saying about our girls coach. It's 100% sound thinking. But in this particular case it is wrong. Basketball has a bunch of games, as opposed to football. No one can afford to tank a football game, or would want to. But this coach has won 20-some straight league titles. The league is almost a given. This coach has to get a team in a weak league ready to make a run for a state title. He had already beat the #2 team in the league soundly. The #2 team had a good squad with a great post player. In the first game he applied severe ball pressure to prevent the ball from getting into her, and when the ball did go down, she was double and tripled teamed. In the second game, he assigned a smaller guard to defend her from behind. The ball pressure was minimal and the center was allowed to catch the ball unmolested on the left block, turn around, and bank it in - time, after time, after time. There were players on the bench who had defended this girl extremely well the first time who never got in the game or were put on her. Now, given that set of facts, why did the coach choose to defend that team so radically different from the first game, and why didn't he alter it when he got down 10, 15, 20 points?

His team shared the league title with that team, but the girls were devastated after that loss, and the coach was in their heads heavily. A month later they played for a state championship.

There is not a perfect connection here. The common thread is simply wondering how far Urban goes in psychologically manipulating his players.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
OSUK said:
First of all, I specifically said in a prior post that I didn't believe Urban was necessarily orchestrating the struggle - but it does give him fodder for some mind games. But I gave a couple of examples of how he could do it if he wanted to. Didn't mean to imply that these are definitely examples of it.

I understand what you are saying about our girls coach. It's 100% sound thinking. But in this particular case it is wrong. Basketball has a bunch of games, as opposed to football. No one can afford to tank a football game, or would want to. But this coach has won 20-some straight league titles. The league is almost a given. This coach has to get a team in a weak league ready to make a run for a state title. He had already beat the #2 team in the league soundly. The #2 team had a good squad with a great post player. In the first game he applied severe ball pressure to prevent the ball from getting into her, and when the ball did go down, she was double and tripled teamed. In the second game, he assigned a smaller guard to defend her from behind. The ball pressure was minimal and the center was allowed to catch the ball unmolested on the left block, turn around, and bank it in - time, after time, after time. There were players on the bench who had defended this girl extremely well the first time who never got in the game or were put on her. Now, given that set of facts, why did the coach choose to defend that team so radically different from the first game, and why didn't he alter it when he got down 10, 15, 20 points?

His team shared the league title with that team, but the girls were devastated after that loss, and the coach was in their heads heavily. A month later they played for a state championship.

There is not a perfect connection here. The common thread is simply wondering how far Urban goes in psychologically manipulating his players.
Click to expand...
So the dude let a undersized girl get embarrassed and didn't let others play that deserved to play all as motivation ploys? That's pretty disgusting if true but understand your point.

Side note if my daughter is one day the target of some way to embarrass her (whether intentional or not) in front of the entire school community I would have words for that man.

Getting back on topic here... things I'm looking for tomorrow is no turnovers (especially picks), tempo, more touches for Samuel, and limiting our penalties. We cut down on bobbled snaps and turnovers last game but this time let's clean up the penalties from a mental stand point
 
Upvote 0
The "Hoosiers" mentality makes for a good story and maybe works more often 20 years ago or longer, but today's culture won't go for that very often - rarely at best I'd say. The work ethic of people over the last couple of decades is just way too different for that kind of motivation though I personally like it. Face it, people have gotten soft.

The Buckeye offense though is not soft and I look for a break out type of performance today unless the rain is heavy. Zeke goes for a ton today.
 
Upvote 0
Urban's offense has always been built on a legitimate running threat at QB. Last year, we had no choice but to play Cardale late and the team played so well we won with him.

He's not our only option now, but we're limiting ourselves by playing him and defenses are using it against us.
 
Upvote 0
IN NEAR STUNNER AT INDIANA, EZEKIEL ELLIOTT MASKS SOME OF OHIO STATE’S OFFENSIVE DEFICIENCIES.

60809_h.jpg,qitok=pvlF7wkb.pagespeed.ce.omVgo5jVbp.jpg


Ezekiel Elliott wrapped up his post-game interview session and headed toward Ohio State’s team bus. On his way there, he was stopped by some young fans and posed for some quick pictures. Then, Elliott headed over and gave hugs to some family members. Everybody wanted to say hello to the Buckeyes’ star running back.

And why wouldn’t they? After all, Elliott had just put on the best single-game rushing performance of his career.

Elliott carried the ball 23 times for a career-high 274 yards — tied for second all time in a school history for a single game with Keith Byars — and three touchdowns in Ohio State’s 34-27 survival at Indiana. The junior running back had touchdown runs of 55, 65 and 75 yards — all of which came in the second half, where he gained 243 of that total. Elliott's 11.9 yards per carry the highest average all time in a single game at Ohio State.

“I think we were definitely overdue for a game like this,” Elliott said following the game. “The O-line and I were feeling this way for the past couple games and I think we feel good that it finally happened and it happened at a good time.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-elliott-masks-some-of-ohio-state-s-offensive
 
Upvote 0
Gcashwell said:
You guys look to complacent and relaxed on offense. It's like you know you have much better talent, so it will all be ok.

Reminds me of Bama 2010. The good news is, the OL looked better and you haven't lost. You guys should be fine.
Click to expand...

Too me they look really uptight 90% pf the time. And I don't know if it's complacency as much as it's an uncertainty & lack of confidence in the offensive identity and play calls.
 
Upvote 0
Just think for a moment how much more offensive productivity we'd have if we didn't turn the ball over so damn much.

I agree with the notion the guys are tight as a drum, and I think it's mostly a matter of expectations. This team doesn't seem to laugh and goof around nearly as much as the 2014 team.

Like it's been said so many times, it's just really difficult to repeat as NCs. A look at last year's loaded FSU team should be enough to convince anyone.
 
Upvote 0
I'd rather see us play an I Formation, pro style offense as long as CJ is starting. The read option really isn't one with him in there so run Zeke straight ahead with a lead blocker and throw play action off of it.

Obviously, I don't expect that to happen midseason but I do believe it would play better to CJ's skills.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top