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2015 Offense Discussion

My only beef with selling out the offensive style for Cardale -sink or swim - is whether or not it's worth it. Next year JT is the starter and are we going to have to retool back to the zone read?

The Buckeyes are not playing for "next year". They are playing to win a National Championship this year, whichever QB gives you the best shot at winning it this year you go with him.
 
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this has happened A LOT so far this season. I know in a article I've read it stated we have tried to hit the cut back lanes since defenses' are slanting their defensive line but man did we miss a few of those suckers that were wide open.

This was the most troubling thing on Saturday. I expected ZEKE to be the rock for this offense and while the blocking has been mediocre at best, his vision has been no better, and it's very surprising. One play in particular (forget what quarter, not the play in the GIF though) he took a handoff, had a huge lane to the right to cut and gain 15-20+ yards, and he instead, like mentioned, he did a perfect imitation of Lydell Ross. It freaked me out.

It's almost like he's gotten used to getting hit in the backfield the last two games and is panicking a bit when he gets the ball. He's deciding where to run without surveying the field. Offense won't get back on track until this is fixed.
 
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The Buckeyes are not playing for "next year". They are playing to win a National Championship this year, whichever QB gives you the best shot at winning it this year you go with him.

Hey I agree that you have to put your team in a position to win now. Im all for that, I want to see a championship run just as badly as you.

I m simply playing devils advocate here. Just like recruiting, setting up games in 2020+, and redshirting players - we always need to be thinking ahead. Urban Meyer has been the master of his style of play. Hes went into his schools, implemented his system and got the players to buy into it. Hes never went to a school and fit a style to the QB, so why start now? Maybe hes seeing something none of us are in practice and for whatever reason it just isn't coming together in games yet. Very well could be the case. Im just confused on the philosophy behind changing his championship style for one year only, especially on a player that he might not even start.
 
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Hey I agree that you have to put your team in a position to win now. Im all for that, I want to see a championship run just as badly as you.

I m simply playing devils advocate here. Just like recruiting, setting up games in 2020+, and redshirting players - we always need to be thinking ahead. Urban Meyer has been the master of his style of play. Hes went into his schools, implemented his system and got the players to buy into it. Hes never went to a school and fit a style to the QB, so why start now? Maybe hes seeing something none of us are in practice and for whatever reason it just isn't coming together in games yet. Very well could be the case. Im just confused on the philosophy behind changing his championship style for one year only, especially on a player that he might not even start.
IMO the QB who gives us the best chances to win next year also happens to be the one who gives us the best odds this year... Two birds. One Stone.
 
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ON OHIO STATE'S WIDE RECEIVERS, URBAN MEYER SAYS 'THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED WELL'

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If Urban Meyer is unhappy with a specific player or position group, the Ohio State head coach is not afraid to say it publicly. He never has been, and probably never will be.

So when Meyer was asked Tuesday on the Big Ten coaches weekly teleconference how he felt the Buckeyes’ wide receivers had performed throughout the first three weeks of the season, he had no problem expressing his feelings of displeasure.

“They have not performed well,” Meyer said. “Mike Thomas has played pretty well, but we’ve gotta play much better. There’s going to be a high, high emphasis on that this week.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...urban-meyer-says-they-have-not-performed-well
 
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WHY HASN'T OHIO STATE'S OFFENSE PRODUCED MORE BIG PLAYS? IT'S NOT HARD TO DETAIL, URBAN MEYER SAID

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Cardale Jones rightfully stole headlines during Ohio State's run at the first-ever College Football Playoff, but his success against some of the top defenses in the country was aided in large part because of the vast number of big plays the Buckeye offense generated.

Running back Ezekiel Elliott ripped off touchdown runs of 81, 85 and 33 yards in wins over Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon. Devin Smith caught touchdown passes of 39, 44 and 42 yards from Jones against the Badgers. Even in the regular season, Michael Thomas shed tacklers on his way to long-range scores against Virginia Tech, Kent State, Maryland, Michigan State and even the ridiculous tightrope snag from Evan Spencer in the Sugar Bowl.

So far in 2015, though, those plays have largely been absent, save for the season opener against Virginia Tech.

Elliott tallied another 80-yard touchdown run, Curtis Samuel snagged a twisting touchdown reception from Jones from 24 yards out and Thomas burnt All-American corner Kendall Fuller for a 26-yard touchdown from J.T. Barrett late in the game. Braxton Miller also had a pair of 50-plus-yard scores in the game.

Since then? Ohio State's biggest scoring play is Thomas' 23-yard touchdown grab from Barrett in the second quarter against Northern Illinois. Elliott's been prevented from torching defenses the way he did late in 2014 and against the Hokies, with his longest rush since Week 1 being 13 yards (twice).

So what gives? Why isn't there the room to run for Elliott? It's obvious, Urban Meyer said.

"We know exactly why," Meyer said Tuesday on the Big Ten teleconference. "We're not controlling the line of scrimmage and when we do, we're not perimeter blocking like we normally do."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-big-plays-its-not-hard-to-detail-urban-meyer
 
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FILM STUDY: HOW TO ATTACK THREE-MAN FRONTS IN THE RUNNING GAME

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Since the final whistle of OSU's ugly 20-13 victory over Northern Illinois last weekend, speculation has yet to cease about why the Buckeye offense failed to get off the ground against a mid-major opponent. Specifically, attention has centered around the inconsistent ability of the offensive line to open holes in the running game against a three-man defensive front.

However, those that have studied the Buckeyes and their opponents closely seem even more perplexed, as this is not the first time that this group has seen such a look from an opposing defense. Although the Huskies may have surprised them with the alignment, the 'Slobs' of the OSU offensive line tore through the Oregon Ducks' 3-4 defense in the CFP championship game just a short nine months ago.

While they were able to make a handful of adjustments in the second half against NIU that allowed Ezekiel Elliott to finally break off chunks of yardage, the Buckeye running game still failed to resemble the one we saw during their championship run. For OSU's entire offensive philosophy to get off the ground, it must first establish the run in order to open up the downfield passing game, something Urban Meyer has noted repeatedly in the past few days since when speaking to the media.

But for those wondering what exactly the Buckeyes can do if Western Michigan, Indiana, or any other opponent on their schedule lines up with an odd front, we can look back at that matchup with the Ducks for answers. OSU unveiled a number of wrinkles that night that led to 296 yards on the ground, and opened up an offense that put up 42 points on the scoreboard.

For those unfamiliar, an 'Odd' front is any defensive alignment that places a down linemen directly over the center and leaving the guards uncovered, often leading to either a three or five-man line (hence the name). However, it's entirely possible for an 'Even' front team, such as one running with basic 4-3 personnel, to line up this way too.

The issue for offenses is that most running concepts rely on the center being uncovered and allowed to either help with double-team or get upfield and block a linebacker. That nose-tackle directly over the center is often the man gumming things up for the entire offense if they're not ready for him, even if he's not the one making tackles. He'll often provide immense value simply by occupying multiple blockers and keeping the linebackers free to make tackles.

Against the Ducks, the Buckeyes attacked this look in two major ways that we have yet to see from them this year. The first was a simple adjustment to the 'split zone' look that has been a huge part of the OSU playbook since Meyer arrived four years ago.

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Instead of bringing the tight all the way across the formation to kick out the end man on the line and create a cutback lane for the running back, he instead sets what is really a trap block on the nose tackle. Given his angle from the side, the Tight End still has the necessary leverage to take on a man that outweighs him by 50 lbs or more, creating an inside running lane.

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Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...o-attack-three-man-fronts-in-the-running-game
 
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So effectively Urban has called out and/or shifted the recent offensive miscues and mistakes on to every other group but the QBs. I know he said that neither are playing at a high level right now, but he followed that statement up with talking about the offensive line performances and receiver blocks.

At what point does it become a "yes, this particular QB (either one) is struggling. no excuses" ?
 
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So effectively Urban has called out and/or shifted the recent offensive miscues and mistakes on to every other group but the QBs. I know he said that neither are playing at a high level right now, but he followed that statement up with talking about the offensive line performances and receiver blocks.

At what point does it become a "yes, this particular QB (either one) is struggling. no excuses" ?

What he said is that the individual is a product of the whole and that the whole is not performing up to expectations. If you're looking for him to throw a player under the bus you aren't going to get that from this coach. Or you can get one of those selfish pricks as a coach that blames everything on individual players and doesn't accomplish anything. I'll take the former.
 
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What he said is that the individual is a product of the whole and that the whole is not performing up to expectations. If you're looking for him to throw a player under the bus you aren't going to get that from this coach. Or you can get one of those selfish pricks as a coach that blames everything on individual players and doesn't accomplish anything. I'll take the former.

Not what Im asking at all.

He specifically called out the receivers in saying "when you're not perimeter blocking very good" and he called out the line saying "when you're not getting protected, when you're not balanced or control the line of scrimmage." I get that he needs help. But why not admit that it is him as well instead of saying "its not him."
 
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