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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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SEREbuckeye said:
Probably beating a dead horse here but this is the thread to do it in I guess...

Cardale was certainly doubted going into the playoffs, and rightfully so. The most we ever saw from him were handoffs and an occasional big play (ie. the running hurdle last year) in mop up duties. We were all a bit nervous what to expect going into the Wisconsin game, especially after the TTUN game being so close. Cardale went off against Wisconsin with a bunch of help from the guys around him. Zeke went into competition mode, Devin Smith couldn't drop a pass, and the line looked like NFL vets. Jones looked pretty fluid when everything was clicking. That night gave all the players and the fan enough confidence rolling into the Sugar Bowl. While it was a great game, by no means was it mistake free. Jones did go crazy on his passing yards, but he also traded his lone TD pass for an INT. Thankfully Zeke was in goal line beast mode and the Bucks didn't need Jones to toss one up in the redzone. Against Oregon it was the same story. The supporting cast played great and it in turn helped Jones play pretty well in terms of passing yards (242 yards). However, once again Jones traded his lone TD pass for an INT and 2 fumbles. The game was won however on Zeke's back and again he carried the team with 4 TDs.

The playoff wins felt great and we all watched highlights all spring and summer of Jones bulldozing the Oregon Linebacker and tossing multiple TD passes to Devin Smith in the Wisconsin game. All good highlight reel stuff. Nobody revisited Jones doing the Winston fumble, the fumbled handoff to Zeke, the 1-1 TD:INT ratio, or anything that would/could tear into the magic. Everyone claimed "Jones made everyone around him better" those 3 games. I find that hard to believe that a first round WR (Smith) was made better by Jones and not the other way around. They said its Jones arm that opened it up for Zeke, despite Zeke being clamored as a first round draft pick in 2016. Everyone forgot about JT and how he went 11-1 as a starter and was able to secure the win when the unit around him are having a bad game. 35 TD passes and nearly 3,000 yards with a group of guys trying to grow up.

Jones was handed the keys to a polished up Ferrari. Yes the people around him aren't playing great but isn't that what everyone claimed - that Jones makes everyone around him better? If that was true for the playoffs, then how come it isn't true right now? Now that Jones is playing poorly and has stayed consitant on turnover issues, everyone tune has changed to "well, ughh, no one is helping Jones." Well guess what, no one helped Barrett last year and he secured the wins. Hell, he secured the last 2 game wins while our starting QB went to the bench. I feel like we need to figure out whether Jones is the reason for the other units success, or are his successes a gift from the other units playing strong around him? Can he put this team on his back and make the plays to win the games - this year. Because the last 3 teams haven't been nearly the competition of the 3 teams everyone fell in love with him playing against. We know JT is capable of it. If he wasn't, our starter wouldn't have been on the bench after 1 quarter of play against powerhouses Northern Illinois and Hawaii. I guess everyone is waiting for Cardale to restore the magic, but Im assuming that window of time is running out.
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Jones and Barrett were also very close last year going into the season. IMO there isn't much difference this year, except that the coaching staff seems to have mixed up each of their strengths and weaknesses.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Jones and Barrett were also very close last year going into the season. IMO there isn't much difference this year, except that the coaching staff seems to have mixed up each of their strengths and weaknesses.
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Had J T survived the Michigan game with no injuries, Wisconsin would have prepared much different than they did .

With Cardale now the QB for the BIG Championship. Whisky did not know what to expect and were caught off guard.

Tom Herman was terrific in his play calling of the last 3 games of 2014. But now I wonder if we are just playing on thier laurels for this year. It sure seems like it to me.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Jones and Barrett were also very close last year going into the season. IMO there isn't much difference this year, except that the coaching staff seems to have mixed up each of their strengths and weaknesses.
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The difference is glaring. JT was never benched at all in favor of Jones last year. Good or bad the coaches trusted in him to rebound and win the games, even when the units around him may be playing bad. I think it says a lot that 2 games in a row to pretty mediocre defenses Cardale has been sent to the bench in favor of. JT took the reigns and never looked back last season.
 
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kippy1040 said:
Had J T survived the Michigan game with no injuries, Wisconsin would have prepared much different than they did .
With Cardale now the QB for the BIG Championship. Whisky did not know what to expect and were caught off guard.
Tom Herman was terrific in his play calling of the last 3 games of 2014. But now I wonder if we are just playing on thier laurels for this year. It sure seems like it to me.
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I think the same thing can probably be said for Alabama and Oregon, but definitely Alabama.

You don't like to see any Ohio State player get hurt; however, they way it "panned out" last year was great.....i.e. UNDISPUTED!!!
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
The difference is glaring. JT was never benched at all in favor of Jones last year. Good or bad the coaches trusted in him to rebound and win the games, even when the units around him may be playing bad. I think it says a lot that 2 games in a row to pretty mediocre defenses Cardale has been sent to the bench in favor of. JT took the reigns and never looked back last season.
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Yes, IMO, this is the issue. Pick a guy and stick with him. And if you pick one, run an offensive scheme that will work with him. If that means more vanilla/bread & butter with Cardale to settle him down, do it.
 
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He's giving Cardale an opportunity to shine or crap the bed. He's got several games to show us which it is. If he's not to it, we'll go with JT at that point. There's not much actual intrigue here. All of his statements and non-statements are saying the same thing.
 
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