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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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kinch said:
But I do have one about rhythm. It just seems like we throw a hundred random plays at the field and see what sticks. Nobody is ever in a comfortable place on our offense.

Elliott has had plenty of runs, but they aren't battering the DL and wearing them out. When did we become an East West team? We should go simple. This may be why Cardale is in for next week. Pound, pound, pound, over the top, a few slants. Ta da.
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buckeyesin07 said:
Against Michigan, the offense again looked lost and trailed for most of the first half (against a Michigan team that was a huge underdog, mind you, something like 18-19 points, if I remember correctly).
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We trailed Michigan for seven minutes and 27 seconds of the first half and did not trail in the second half.
 
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If cardale is the starter, then he needs to finish the games. If we keep switching to JT when it gets difficult and he is the safety net, then why isn't he starting? One guy needs to play and the other needs to sit if you want to get any kind of rhythm. If Cardale is in and the offense is struggling he needs to figure out how to push past it. I was a Cardale fan, but at this point I think the coaches are putting JT in when it gets tough for a reason. I know what they are doing, they are saying Cardale isn't cutting it and they are giving JT his chance to 'win' the job. He isn't doing that, but we can't treat every game like a scrimmage. Every snap JT takes isn't helping Cardale get better, and Cardale needs to get better!
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
We trailed Michigan for seven minutes and 27 seconds of the first half and did not trail in the second half.
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First, I said nothing about the second half, so whether OSU trailed or not is entirely non-responsive to my post.

In the first half, OSU trailed for 7:27 (about 1/4) of the half, and OSU was tied for about another quarter. So, basically for 3/4 of the first half, OSU was down or tied. So my point stands--JT didn't exactly have the offense humming, particularly considering Michigan was a putrid team last year that didn't make a bowl game, the game was in Columbus, and OSU was, if I recall correctly, something like 18-19 point favorites.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
In the first half, OSU trailed for 7:27 (about 1/4) of the half, and OSU was tied for about another quarter. So, basically for 3/4 of the first half, OSU was down or tied. So my point stands--JT didn't exactly have the offense humming, particularly considering Michigan was a putrid team last year that didn't make a bowl game, the game was in Columbus, and OSU was, if I recall correctly, something like 18-19 point favorites.
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No it doesn't, you specifically said Ohio State "trailed for most of the first half" and I showed you they didn't.
 
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kinch said:
I don't have a strong feeling about the QBs.

But I do have one about rhythm. It just seems like we throw a hundred random plays at the field and see what sticks. Nobody is ever in a comfortable place on our offense.

Elliott has had plenty of runs, but they aren't battering the DL and wearing them out. When did we become an East West team? We should go simple. This may be why Cardale is in for next week. Pound, pound, pound, over the top, a few slants. Ta da.

I get why people say, "in Meyer we trust." But if we left it at that we would have no discussion. How fun would that be?
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Thats a novel idea, we never see those now that Holmes has long since graduated. How about a TE pop pass once in a while or like someone mentioned in the game thread last week, the HB pop pass! The idea of having a QB isnt to manhandle the football field, it's to have a player that is good at getting the ball into players hands that can manhandle the field play after play. When you happen to have a stud that can do both, you typically have a special team.

What does everyone think the floor and the ceiling for either of these QB's is? I've been thinking about it all day and this is what I come up with:

Cardale Jones floor would be really awful. Say we have no deep threat at all and we're playing a secondary thats as good as or better than our own at this very moment. He hasnt shown to be greatly accurate so he'd be limited in passing and rely on the RB with his own bulldozing running - which we should probably see more of right now also. I think his ceiling is very high with the right people around him, but we might have actually already seen it.

JT Barret's floor is a little higher than Cardale's in my opinion because he makes great decisions in the running game and has shown he can be deadly accurate. I think the offense can still do some things when he's not playing well, such as the last couple weeks and maybe PSU last year. JT's ceiling is basically, Heisman. He was on his way last year prior to the injury even after his debacle vs VA Tech. I think when he's on, the offense is unstoppable but for some reason we haven't really seen it just yet but I got a real feeling that is't coming.

Problem we have at the moment is both guys are playing somewhere above their floors but way below their ceilings and its hard to determine which guy is playing better. Some good convo has gone on in this thread I'd be interested in hearing other people's thoughts on best and worst also.
 
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matcar said:
I'm mostly disappointed that JT hasn't done enough to separate himself from CJ during practice. The fact that he hasn't done so makes me feel that neither of these guys have figured it out and are struggling. I didn't expect this. Then again, I probably just need to check my expectations and manage them better.
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It seems to me that coach is waiting for JT to win the starting job. "Right now, Cardale is a high volume guy. JT is more efficient. He's still getting reps, just not under center." Um, I'm sorry, but what does that even mean? What that says TO ME is that if JT was the high volume guy, in addition to being more efficient, he would be the runaway, clear cut starter right now. If it's still so close you can't call it, but the reps are being split 70/30, then I'm taking the 30 guy all day, every day, simply because he is keeping it basically tied with half the reps.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Thats a novel idea, we never see those now that Holmes has long since graduated. How about a TE pop pass once in a while or like someone mentioned in the game thread last week, the HB pop pass! The idea of having a QB isnt to manhandle the football field, it's to have a player that is good at getting the ball into players hands that can manhandle the field play after play. When you happen to have a stud that can do both, you typically have a special team.

What does everyone think the floor and the ceiling for either of these QB's is? I've been thinking about it all day and this is what I come up with:

Cardale Jones floor would be really awful. Say we have no deep threat at all and we're playing a secondary thats as good as or better than our own at this very moment. He hasnt shown to be greatly accurate so he'd be limited in passing and rely on the RB with his own bulldozing running - which we should probably see more of right now also. I think his ceiling is very high with the right people around him, but we might have actually already seen it.

JT Barret's floor is a little higher than Cardale's in my opinion because he makes great decisions in the running game and has shown he can be deadly accurate. I think the offense can still do some things when he's not playing well, such as the last couple weeks and maybe PSU last year. JT's ceiling is basically, Heisman. He was on his way last year prior to the injury even after his debacle vs VA Tech. I think when he's on, the offense is unstoppable but for some reason we haven't really seen it just yet but I got a real feeling that is't coming.

Problem we have at the moment is both guys are playing somewhere above their floors but way below their ceilings and its hard to determine which guy is playing better. Some good convo has gone on in this thread I'd be interested in hearing other people's thoughts on best and worst also.
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I think I agree with what you are saying. With the correct personnel in place, Jones is high risk but very high reward. Barrett is a safer bet but with less rewarding of big plays.

Trying to decipher Meyer is the same as trying to decipher his predecessor.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
Probably beating a dead horse here but this is the thread to do it in I guess...

Cardale was certainly doubted going into the playoffs, and rightfully so. The most we ever saw from him were handoffs and an occasional big play (ie. the running hurdle last year) in mop up duties. We were all a bit nervous what to expect going into the Wisconsin game, especially after the TTUN game being so close. Cardale went off against Wisconsin with a bunch of help from the guys around him. Zeke went into competition mode, Devin Smith couldn't drop a pass, and the line looked like NFL vets. Jones looked pretty fluid when everything was clicking. That night gave all the players and the fan enough confidence rolling into the Sugar Bowl. While it was a great game, by no means was it mistake free. Jones did go crazy on his passing yards, but he also traded his lone TD pass for an INT. Thankfully Zeke was in goal line beast mode and the Bucks didn't need Jones to toss one up in the redzone. Against Oregon it was the same story. The supporting cast played great and it in turn helped Jones play pretty well in terms of passing yards (242 yards). However, once again Jones traded his lone TD pass for an INT and 2 fumbles. The game was won however on Zeke's back and again he carried the team with 4 TDs.

The playoff wins felt great and we all watched highlights all spring and summer of Jones bulldozing the Oregon Linebacker and tossing multiple TD passes to Devin Smith in the Wisconsin game. All good highlight reel stuff. Nobody revisited Jones doing the Winston fumble, the fumbled handoff to Zeke, the 1-1 TD:INT ratio, or anything that would/could tear into the magic. Everyone claimed "Jones made everyone around him better" those 3 games. I find that hard to believe that a first round WR (Smith) was made better by Jones and not the other way around. They said its Jones arm that opened it up for Zeke, despite Zeke being clamored as a first round draft pick in 2016. Everyone forgot about JT and how he went 11-1 as a starter and was able to secure the win when the unit around him are having a bad game. 35 TD passes and nearly 3,000 yards with a group of guys trying to grow up.

Jones was handed the keys to a polished up Ferrari. Yes the people around him aren't playing great but isn't that what everyone claimed - that Jones makes everyone around him better? If that was true for the playoffs, then how come it isn't true right now? Now that Jones is playing poorly and has stayed consitant on turnover issues, everyone tune has changed to "well, ughh, no one is helping Jones." Well guess what, no one helped Barrett last year and he secured the wins. Hell, he secured the last 2 game wins while our starting QB went to the bench. I feel like we need to figure out whether Jones is the reason for the other units success, or are his successes a gift from the other units playing strong around him? Can he put this team on his back and make the plays to win the games - this year. Because the last 3 teams haven't been nearly the competition of the 3 teams everyone fell in love with him playing against. We know JT is capable of it. If he wasn't, our starter wouldn't have been on the bench after 1 quarter of play against powerhouses Northern Illinois and Hawaii. I guess everyone is waiting for Cardale to restore the magic, but Im assuming that window of time is running out.
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SEREbuckeye said:
Probably beating a dead horse here but this is the thread to do it in I guess...

Cardale was certainly doubted going into the playoffs, and rightfully so. The most we ever saw from him were handoffs and an occasional big play (ie. the running hurdle last year) in mop up duties. We were all a bit nervous what to expect going into the Wisconsin game, especially after the TTUN game being so close. Cardale went off against Wisconsin with a bunch of help from the guys around him. Zeke went into competition mode, Devin Smith couldn't drop a pass, and the line looked like NFL vets. Jones looked pretty fluid when everything was clicking. That night gave all the players and the fan enough confidence rolling into the Sugar Bowl. While it was a great game, by no means was it mistake free. Jones did go crazy on his passing yards, but he also traded his lone TD pass for an INT. Thankfully Zeke was in goal line beast mode and the Bucks didn't need Jones to toss one up in the redzone. Against Oregon it was the same story. The supporting cast played great and it in turn helped Jones play pretty well in terms of passing yards (242 yards). However, once again Jones traded his lone TD pass for an INT and 2 fumbles. The game was won however on Zeke's back and again he carried the team with 4 TDs.

The playoff wins felt great and we all watched highlights all spring and summer of Jones bulldozing the Oregon Linebacker and tossing multiple TD passes to Devin Smith in the Wisconsin game. All good highlight reel stuff. Nobody revisited Jones doing the Winston fumble, the fumbled handoff to Zeke, the 1-1 TD:INT ratio, or anything that would/could tear into the magic. Everyone claimed "Jones made everyone around him better" those 3 games. I find that hard to believe that a first round WR (Smith) was made better by Jones and not the other way around. They said its Jones arm that opened it up for Zeke, despite Zeke being clamored as a first round draft pick in 2016. Everyone forgot about JT and how he went 11-1 as a starter and was able to secure the win when the unit around him are having a bad game. 35 TD passes and nearly 3,000 yards with a group of guys trying to grow up.

Jones was handed the keys to a polished up Ferrari. Yes the people around him aren't playing great but isn't that what everyone claimed - that Jones makes everyone around him better? If that was true for the playoffs, then how come it isn't true right now? Now that Jones is playing poorly and has stayed consitant on turnover issues, everyone tune has changed to "well, ughh, no one is helping Jones." Well guess what, no one helped Barrett last year and he secured the wins. Hell, he secured the last 2 game wins while our starting QB went to the bench. I feel like we need to figure out whether Jones is the reason for the other units success, or are his successes a gift from the other units playing strong around him? Can he put this team on his back and make the plays to win the games - this year. Because the last 3 teams haven't been nearly the competition of the 3 teams everyone fell in love with him playing against. We know JT is capable of it. If he wasn't, our starter wouldn't have been on the bench after 1 quarter of play against powerhouses Northern Illinois and Hawaii. I guess everyone is waiting for Cardale to restore the magic, but Im assuming that window of time is running out.
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Which Is why i'm sitting quietly for this weekends game. Honestly guys, I'm expecting either a shit show or a game where CJ turns the ball over too much again. I obviously am hoping this is not the case but to me I just flat out don't trust 12 to not turn the ball over.
 
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