2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[lvbuckeye]

and if Barrett fails and you have to bench him, you now have 0 QBs. That's definitely the way to go, alienate a legendary Buckeye weapon (that probably can't be used anywhere else) because JT lit up some bad defenses (and frankly we are learning that Va Tech is one of those, just not as hideous as the others).

Did somebody say 'histrionics'???

Absolutely NOTHING i have seen from JT indicates that he's going to fail. This kid has 'winner' written all over him. How quickly you forget him sitting in on the senior leadership meetings as a true frosh. How quickly you forget how effusive Urban is in his praise.

Lmao. No one is alienating Braxton. I have two #5 jerseys. I love the guy.I don't think I've ever seen anyone in the Scarlet and Gray put his body on the line week in and week out the way he did. But time marches on. I'm sorry he got hurt, and I hope he has a full recovery. I also hope that his head is more powerful than his ego, as his chances at being an NFL quarterback were limited at best before his injury, which is a well known career killer in baseball.

Would I love to see him come back? YES.
But not at the expense of the development and the growth of THIS team.

 

[jwinslow]

Did somebody say 'histrionics'???

Absolutely NOTHING i have seen from JT indicates that he's going to fail. This kid has 'winner' written all over him.

Well lock it up, that's the end of the discussion

How quickly you forget him sitting in on the senior leadership meetings as a true frosh. How quickly you forget how effusive Urban is in his praise.

I didn't forget any of that, though I love how we're cherry picking that quotation about JT but not his actual answer on JT vs Braxton.

Lmao. No one is alienating Braxton. I have two #5 jerseys. I love the guy.I don't think I've ever seen anyone in the Scarlet and Gray put his body on the line week in and week out the way he did. But time marches on. I'm sorry he got hurt, and I hope he has a full recovery. I also hope that his head is more powerful than his ego, as his chances at being an NFL quarterback were limited at best before his injury, which is a well known career killer in baseball.

Which is like someone saying they love Curtis Grant the person but hope he never sees the field again over McMillan. Those are nice sentiments but have little to do with your point that you think Barrett outclasses a healthy Braxton Miller and it's a done deal that he starts over him.

Why does the QB battle have to be over 11 months before Braxton's first game as a senior?

Where are you going to use Braxton with JT at QB? Hoke clapper? RB or H? Wildcat QB?

I only see 1 legitimate option there and it is the one he could retain as the starter. If he stinks, you roll back his reps like Curtis.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Well lock it up, that's the end of the discussion

Cute.

I didn't forget any of that, though I love how we're cherry picking that quotation about JT but not his actual answer on JT vs Braxton.

What was he supposed to do?
Publicly say that he's done?
Yeah right. Urban is a little more magnanimous than that.

Which is like someone saying they love Curtis Grant the person but hope he never sees the field again over McMillan. Those are nice sentiments but have little to do with your point that you think Barrett outclasses a healthy Braxton Miller and it's a done deal that he starts over him.

I love Curtis Grant as a person, and I hope see never sees the field again over McMillan.

I also think that Barrett has more upside than Braxton. Is that some kind of sin I'm not aware of?

Why does the QB battle have to be over 11 months before Braxton's first game as a senior?

Because he's going to graduate in December, because JT has more upside, because it will inhibit the development of the team, and because the odds of him being the same if not better are extremely slim, and finally because recovery time from Labrum surgery is twelve months, which means that Braxton doesn't really have a realistic chance at being the starter week one next year.

Where are you going to use Braxton with JT at QB? Hoke clapper? RB or H? Wildcat QB?

Or a wideout in the NFL, if he's smart.

I only see 1 legitimate option there and it is the one he could retain as the starter. If he stinks, you roll back his reps like Curtis.

You only see one option because the only option you allow yourself to see is for him to be the starting quarterback at Ohio State next year.

 

[jwinslow]

What was he supposed to do?
Publicly say that he's done?
Yeah right. Urban is a little more magnanimous than that.

So then Braxton is toast and he's just lying about it to protect his player? Or is your declaration of his demise very premature?

I like Curtis Grant as person, and I hope see never sees the field again over McMillan.

So do I but that's not the point.

I also think that Barrett has more upside than Braxton. Is that some kind if sin I'm not aware of?

Barrett does not have more upside than Braxton. He seems to have a higher floor though.

Because he's going to graduate in December, because JT has more upside, because it will inhibit the development of the team, and because the odds of him being the same if not better are extremely slim.

Just to clarify, if Braxton is 95% healthy, do you still think JT is the starter? Because if his health is the foundation of your argument, that's a much different conversation and one you've barely touched upon before the last two posts.

Or a wideout in the NFL, if he's smart.

Maybe if the lawsuits succeed in forbidding defensive hits. Otherwise this makes as much sense as the Pryor to TE talk.

You only see one option because the only option you allow yourself to see is for him to be the starting quarterback at Ohio State next year.

Braxton seemingly goes down with a career ending injury about 4-6 times per season. I am not moving him to tailback where he'll sustain even bigger hits.

Moving him to the H might result in slightly less contact but seems pointless. They have two dynamic playmakers in Wilson and Marshall. Does Braxton really help the team out that much at that spot?

 

[lvbuckeye]

So then Braxton is toast and he's just lying about it to protect his player? Or is your declaration of his demise very premature?

He's not lying to protect his player.
He's saying the right thing.
My declaration of his demise may be premature, but it is an educated opinion.

So do I but that's not the point.Barrett does not have more upside than Braxton. He seems to have a higher floor though.

Especially since he's already a better passer.

Just to clarify, if Braxton is 95% healthy, do you still think JT is the starter? Because if his health is the foundation of your argument, that's a much different conversation and one you've barely touched upon before the last two posts.

If Braxton is 95% healthy, then I think he's 5% from taking meaningful football reps. His health isn't the foundation of my argument, but it's been the elephant in the room the whole time. If he was healthy we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Maybe if the lawsuits succeed in forbidding defensive hits. Otherwise this makes as much sense as the Pryor to TE talk.

Absurd. He would take FAR fewer hits at WR than he has at QB.

Braxton seemingly goes down with a career ending injury about 4-6 times per season.

A disturbing trend. Only this time may be for real. How many practice reps has he taken since December 2013?

I am not moving him to tailback where he'll sustain even bigger hits.

No one asked you to. That conversation is in your imagination. It's funny, because he's who he is because he's so amazing at running the football. Take that away from him, and by the sound of it, you don't want him running the ball, and then Barrett's upside should be even more clear. Barrett doesn't have to be the most amazing runner in football and sustain seemingly career ending injuries 4-6 times a year, to be equally or even more productive than Braxton, BECAUSE HE'S A BETTER PASSER, which is what I've been saying this entire time.

Moving him to the H might result in slightly less contact but seems pointless. They have two dynamic playmakers in Wilson and Marshall.

I didn't say that either.

Does Braxton really help the team out that much at that spot?

Will he really help us out that much at the QB spot? After missing eighteen months?

It's unfortunate that it happened, but this is JT Barrett's team. Are you willing to dump two years of chemistry and team building by sitting Barrett? For a guy who has zero on-field chemistry with this roster, and will be fighting two years of rust, as well as trying to come back from what is, the majority of the time, a career-killing injury? I'm serious.

 

[matcar]

One thing I think we can all agree upon is that we hope that JT continues to play well Enough to make this a meaningful debate. Still a long way to go...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Absolutely NOTHING i have seen from JT indicates that he's going to fail. This kid has 'winner' written all over him. How quickly you forget him sitting in on the senior leadership meetings as a true frosh. How quickly you forget how effusive Urban is in his praise.

Point by point:

• He failed against VT.
• He was winner written all over him, in your eyes, because he torched three garbage defenses.
• Miller has been in on senior leadership meetings since Day One.
• Meyer has been effusive is in his praise for Miller for several years.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

At this point you're both typing at walls.

I think everyone agrees there is a large upside to JT in certain aspects of the game that didn't seem as apparent with Braxton at the same level.

I think everyone should also agree that there are absolutely ZERO on-the-field results from either QB that should elicit the hyperbole we're getting from either end of the discussion.

 

[bukIpower]

Which is why I think this truly comes down to how JT does against MSU and the rest of the way out. Because if this continues and he does well at MSU at night I think personally the decision will be much easier. Particularly if 16 goes to NYC in December

 

[lvbuckeye]

Point by point:

• He failed against VT.
• He was winner written all over him, in your eyes, because he torched three garbage defenses.
• Miller has been in on senior leadership meetings since Day One.
• Meyer has been effusive is in his praise for Miller for several years.

The balls were there to be caught against VT.
The receivers dropped them. A couple in the end zone iirc.

Urban CHOSE Braxton to be in the meetings. He started those classes because there wasn't enough leadership.
JT just showed up.
See the difference?

 

[RB07OSU]

I am disappointed this thread got off track and is about anything other than Barrett
As for Barrett's performance, I think it has been superb
Kid has not been on a field since early in his HS sr season.. and I'm pretty sure the teams he's facing are better than he saw in Wichita Falls TX
As for the teams he has played against this year.. you can only play the teams on your schedule... regardless of what you think about them
I feel the same about JT as I did Guiton... damn glad you were here JT

Threw to NINE different receivers.. that says a ton.. he's going thru his progressions
I tip my hat off to him and I thank you

To that end, can we just get a JT vs. Braxton thread split and not in the reference locker? I'll join the debate come next summer camp but for now I just want to talk about JT Barret in this thread. Then everyone else who thinks this is a pressing issue can discuss it and I can just ignore that thread.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The balls were there to be caught against VT.
The receivers dropped them. A couple in the end zone iirc.

Urban CHOSE Braxton to be in the meetings. He started those classes because there wasn't enough leadership.
JT just showed up.
See the difference?

You have it for JT, we get it, but he's not ahead of Miller and Meyer and said emphatically that Miller is still the starter next year.

 

[lvbuckeye]

You have it for JT, we get it, but he's not ahead of Miller and Meyer and said emphatically that Miller is still the starter next year.

i got it too. but i won't be browbeaten into agreeing with you. especially since i'm talking about Barrett in Barrett's thread.

answer this question: this is JT Barrett's team. Are you willing to dump two years of chemistry and team building by sitting Barrett? For a guy who has zero on-field chemistry with this roster, and will be fighting two years of rust, as well as trying to come back from what is, the majority of the time, a career-killing injury?

 

[Buckeye513]

You have it for JT, we get it, but he's not ahead of Miller and Meyer and said emphatically that Miller is still the starter next year.

Meyer's opinion in September 2014 about who will be the starter in August 2015 is about as relevant as anyone else's.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

answer this question: this is JT Barrett's team. Are you willing to dump two years of chemistry and team building by sitting Barrett? For a guy who has zero on-field chemistry with this roster, and will be fighting two years of rust, as well as trying to come back from what is, the majority of the time, a career-killing injury?

You mean one year of chemistry? Or are you counting the redshirt season where he was 4th on the depth chart? And Braxton having zero on-field chemistry? He'll have zero on-field chemistry with the sophomores and freshmen, but not the juniors or seniors next year. That's like 3/4 of the players who start on a football team. Plus you're overrating on-field chemistry going into a season. News flash: you're supporting to no end a guy who had ZERO on-field chemistry with the entire team. And lastly, I'm sure the Broncos are glad they decided that knocking the rust off isn't that tough of a thing to do. And as you said, Braxton MAY have suffered a career-killing injury. If that's the case, then there is no decision (unfortunately). You don't honestly think Urban's gonna start Braxton who can't throw the ball at all due to his injury over JT, do you?