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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
I trust this offense more with him at the helm than with any QB since Troy, but it'd be a big leap to say I have more "fun" watching him play than Brax.
Nobody has made me jump off the couch with joy more in the past few seasons than him.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
Lol. The point was that JT has put up better numbers against similar competition. Those four teams were Braxton's first four games under Urban. It's not a strawmam. It's a direct comparison. I didn't cherry-pick those four teams.
It proves that both KG and JT throw the ball better than Braxton against weak competition. We'll get to see how JT does against good competition in a couple weeks.
How many times did Braxton throw for 300 and 6 against subpar competition?
It's not a strawman. It's an observable, quantifiable fact.
Okay. What did Braxton do against good competition? I.e. Sparty and Clemson? With an NFL line and Hyde, no less.
He struggled a lot against VT because the o-line couldn't block anyone, and his receivers dropped about ten balls. Not to mention questionable play-calling. Notice how every opponent since has thrown bear defenses at him, and he's carving them up? Better o-line play, and better receiver play go a long way.
Braxton is the most explosive ATHLETE in the country. He's not even close to being the best QUARTERBACK.
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IIRC, he started every game after the Iowa debacle (game 7), so that would be five games (suspended for the Alamo Bowl).
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If Ohio State had to lose a Braxton Miller, then this schedule is about as good as fans could have wanted. The team still has not seen a top defense and the two bye weeks have allowed time for thought and adjustment.
I like this quarterback and I think that there will be one heckuva battle for starting honors next year.
I like this quarterback and I think that there will be one heckuva battle for starting honors next year.
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His receivers dropped about 5-6 against VT (which is way too many). They dropped too many against KSU too but it didn't matter because virtually every play was met with the resistance of a walkthrough.
Is the OL playing better or is the opposing defense just that bad? Frankly Va Tech isn't that great either but they have good athletes at corner and one of this generation's best DCs (in college anyway). I love what JT has done and and am thrilled to see the offense executing at a more efficient level. There is plenty of reason for excitement but not nearly enough to make broad declarations benching the starter. Until they do it a couple of times against top competition, I don't trust this OL to convert in a loaded box. There's no wait and see with Devin either, you know what you're getting there.
JT distributes the ball better than Braxton but I'd argue that the disparity on the ground is equal (or greater) in the other direction. When the defense stays disciplined, JT is a very average runner among dual threat QBs. He also operates in the pocket more like an agile pocket passer and struggles to elude single pass rushers one on one. He's very smart at running the option (much better than Braxton) but that doesn't put him in the same zipcode as Braxton in production on the ground. We've seen Braxton break big runs left and right sometimes even when the play should be dead to rights 2 seconds after the snap.
JT has made it a conversation. You don't bench Braxton Miller if he's able to return to his former self (or close to it) and moving him to RB or the H is as absurd as the Pryor to TE talk. Neither has the physical mentality for it (especially given the hits allowed on a non QB). You do find ways to get JT onto the field to keep Braxton healthy and to spark the offense when it stalls. You can always move away from Braxton next fall if he cannot produce enough on offense (whether that's injury, efficiency or any combination of things). You cannot bench Braxton for JT this offseason and then reasonably hope to go back to Braxton later if JT struggles.
If only I had labeled him as the most explosive QB
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HorseshoeFetish
Silver Bullet Supporter
I agree. We need that Bye week thread. And on Sunday all the garbage accumulated in every other thread should be dumped into it for prosperity.
Not to be confused with garbage from the dumpster fire threads belonging to TTUN.
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If Barrett passes for 200, runs for 50 and takes care of the football - say 2 td 1 int - it will be a successful day but not one that dwarfs Braxton's much maligned performance in Indy.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
This should probably go in the Braxton thread but it seems germane (see what I did just then?) here. Braxton has been nothing but everything the program needed to get right again after the demise of the previous JT. I don't think I've ever seen a better all-around Buckeye. Even now, he's saying and I don't doubt believing all the right things; going to work hard and come back for the team and Buckeye Nation, etc. Now, though he has other responsibilities. He's a father, he has an injury history, he's not going to change anyone's mind who makes decisions in the pros with one more year (even assuming that his shoulder comes back completely), and he's as dynamic as anyone in the league right now. He needs to go and I feel certain that Urban will work through this with him. He's more than done his bit for us and needs to look ahead for himself while he can. It may or may not be as a qb but he's got a relatively small window to get paid and his window is probably smaller than some others'. We'll be fine with JT so he doesn't have to feel guilty about leaving us in the lurch.
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1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
I hope Barrett gets there too. That would be an amazing season for him and us.
The differences in last year offense and personnel compared to this year just skew the comparisons between JT and Miller for me. JT is doing great things and the passing offense has been much better with him under center, but he's playing with 3 new targets who, while maligned for the drops are a significant upgrade from last year (especially Thomas), as well as a clearly matured Wilson.
The playcalling has also moved from mostly vertical routes to a lot of touch passes and shorter routes making the passing game much more consistent and allows the QB to get into a rhythm.
Part of that is thanks to Barrett having better touch, but I also think that the coaches were working in a system that was overly reliant on an all or nothing pass game until the VA Tech game opened up their eyes a bit. Miller might not be putting up the numbers Barrett is through the air, but I think he'd be a lot closer than many think.
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It's so fun responding with canned phrases and strawmen instead of what I actually said (that you can't bench him if he's healthy and able to execute), like 'Braxton isn't the best QB' or the adorable "OR maybe line".
If Braxton can't execute then they'll put JT in. The OL didn't magically become strong in 2 weeks nor did the wideouts learn to make plays in traffic. They are playing awful competition and it's absurdly premature to declare Braxton's demise when he hasn't played a single snap in the hypothetical scenario.
Do you expect that final result? Or are these more fun outliers?
Context matters:
Performances vs UC
J. T. Barrett 330 yds 4 td 0 int 79 yd rush 0 td.
Paxton Lynch 311 yds 2 td 0 int 45 yd rush 2 td. A week after 81 yds 0 td 1 int -24 yds rush 0 td vs Ole Miss.
Logan Woodside 322 yds 3 TD 0 int -11 yd rush 0 td. A week later he went for 151 yds 1 td 1 int 43 yds rush 2 td vs Ball St (before a 300 yd day vs CMU).
Performances vs Kent St
J.T. Barrett 312 yds 6 td 1 int 06 yd rush 0 td.
Matt Johns 227 yds 2 td 2 int 65 yd rush 1 td. Seems pedestrian until you realize it was his only game this year passing for over 160 yds. He went for 93 yds 1 td 1 int 6 yd rush 0 td vs Pitt.
The other QBs did not go off on them in the other losses but I doubt you'd argue that their defense is horrific.
Performances vs Maryland
Clint Trickett 511 yds 5 td 1 int -4 yd rush 0 td.
J.T. Barrett 267 yds 4 td 0 int 71 yds rush 1 td. Obviously not as close of a game as WVU's.
You'd think Indiana would put up big yardage but they've been surprisingly poor through the air this year (89th), relying on a dominant rushing attack.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
I expect to see exactly what I saw last year. An amazing, dynamic runner, subpar passer, subpar reader of defenses, who trusts his legs more than his brain or arm, and a coaching staff that does the same and calls plays accordingly.
Herman's big mistake against VT was that he called the Braxton offense instead of the Guiton offense.
Your "JT hasn't done it against a good D yet" argument is crap. Braxton didn't pass that well against bad defenses, and he played against plenty of them. He didn't do it against good defenses either. And now I'm supposed to believe that an injury that is the death knell to baseball players won't even matter, and he's going to come back and be better than ever? Somehow he's going to be a better quarterback? Sorry, not buying it.
Herman's big mistake against VT was that he called the Braxton offense instead of the Guiton offense.
Your "JT hasn't done it against a good D yet" argument is crap. Braxton didn't pass that well against bad defenses, and he played against plenty of them. He didn't do it against good defenses either. And now I'm supposed to believe that an injury that is the death knell to baseball players won't even matter, and he's going to come back and be better than ever? Somehow he's going to be a better quarterback? Sorry, not buying it.
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