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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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matcar said:
I could be wrong, but I don't see it. That doesn't mean that I don't think the offense of brain trust can't find ways to make him very effective, and because of that he might be the best option. But I don't see him being the best read option QB on our team. That's why I assume Barrett will ultimately win the job.
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Oh, I absolutely agree he won't be the rest "read-option" QB on the team. I just think his deep ball threat, stronger arm for making the tight throws, and ability to break tackles Barrett or Miller can't, will more than offset his lower elusiveness. Regardless, it's a great "problem" that we're discussing...
 
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I know there were situations where we had short and goal to go where in the past we just went empty and everyone in America knew Braxton was running the draw but you just couldn't stop him because he was going to make someone miss. We didn't have that luxury with CJ against Bama. Braxton made more guys miss than any running back in the country. I know the injury he had is very difficult to come back from, but I am hoping he is an exception like Brees and comes back and reminds Buckeye Nation why he was the MAN.
 
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Hstead said:
I know there were situations where we had short and goal to go where in the past we just went empty and everyone in America knew Braxton was running the draw but you just couldn't stop him because he was going to make someone miss. We didn't have that luxury with CJ against Bama.
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We didn't need that luxury with CJ against Bama.

The offense overall seemed less prone to bogging down with both Jones and Barrett than it did with Miller - fewer three-and-outs. Of course, that could also be a function of the improvement of the o-line.
 
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MaxBuck said:
We didn't need that luxury with CJ against Bama.

The offense overall seemed less prone to bogging down with both Jones and Barrett than it did with Miller - fewer three-and-outs. Of course, that could also be a function of the improvement of the o-line.
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Brax didn't play with the o-line from the beginning of this year, though. Last years o-line was at least as good as this years was at the end of the year.
 
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Biggest problem I saw with Cardales running is that he didn't always trust the guys around him to open a hole where its called for. That and he's quick to leave his feet and dive way too early. Those things will dissapear as he gets more snaps.

JT didn't look that great rushing or running option stuff early on either. A lot of that is on the young line, but young Barrett did make the wrong read frequently enough that his run game reads were limited for a few games after VT. We probably win against VT if he executes the speed option properly.

The zone read will be a point of emphasis. We will need it as a part of our offense at some point to re-equate numbers in the run game, especially in the red zone when teams aren't playing their safeties 20 yards off the ball. Cardale will get it though, our staff has worked magic with all the other young starters.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Oh, I absolutely agree he won't be the rest "read-option" QB on the team. I just think his deep ball threat, stronger arm for making the tight throws, and ability to break tackles Barrett or Miller can't, will more than offset his lower elusiveness. Regardless, it's a great "problem" that we're discussing...
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SIAP, but I think if Braxton decides to make the transition to a non QB skill position I think JT will be your go to guy between the 30s for this very reason. He seems to have the best grasp on making offense within 25yds of the LOS. This includes the read run, screens and wheels and TE outs and slants. For some reason, that part of Cardale's game felt a lot slower and rougher. That may be reps, or it may be how well either QB reads the field.

Cardale was given plays that were almost always single reads, very rarely did you see him go through his progressions and that resulted in quick throwaways and not passing to wide open receivers in the middle of the field. These are things that ultimately did not hurt us... because ZEKE ...but when the play breaks down JT is the guy I want in that spot.

Cardale is the guy you want when the field is small and you need to add some power to the spread and to me this is on both sides of the field. In the red zone having Cardale at QB (with the possibility of Braxton on the field as well) gives you multiple run looks (maybe multiple pass looks) and a downhill playbook that doesn't have to rely on misdirection or reads to gain tough yards. When backed up deep, Cardale is the guy you want because he can extend the play downfield with his arm which opens up the short secondary for himself or the running backs if everyone's covered and there's a blitz and as we saw his big body can avoid the safety pretty well.

This is all, of course, just my opinion. If I were managing these guys in a game of NCAA this is how I'd see myself using them all effectively, lol.
 
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...rbacks-injuries-backup-national-championships

Ohio State overcame more QB injury damage than last 31 champs combined
By Jason Kirk  @JasonKirkSBN on Jan 26 2015, 1:47p

Playoff champion Ohio State suffered more starting QB games missed due to injury than every other national champion since 1985 combined, including legit co-champs.

Those numbers, according to NCAA stats and a records review:
  • Ohio State lost 18: 15 by Braxton Miller, the Heisman contender who went down in August camp, and three by J.T. Barrett, the redshirt freshman lost in November. Third-string Cardale Jones stepped up and won three postseason games.
  • The previous 31 champions lost 16: nine by 1994 Nebraska's Tommie Frazier, two by 2007 LSU's Matt Flynn, two by 1991 Washington's Mark Brunell, one by 1993 Florida State's Charlie Ward, one by 1990 Colorado's Darian Hagan, and one by 1989 Miami's Craig Erickson.
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