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My question is how much will we need to run either a speed and/or read option as well as designed QB keepers? Cardale isn't a guy that maxes out on designed runs with 6-10 yards to pick up. He does extremely well with broken plays and crashing through defensive players when a lane is open.
You knew as soon as Zeek went out of the game and Samuel came in (with Jones at QB) it would be a handoff to Curtis or an audible to a 5 wide set. If we are looking at using the option next year to heavily involve Marshall, Dontre, and Samuel then Miller/Barrett would be the go to guys.
Just food for thought on something.
You knew as soon as Zeek went out of the game and Samuel came in (with Jones at QB) it would be a handoff to Curtis or an audible to a 5 wide set. If we are looking at using the option next year to heavily involve Marshall, Dontre, and Samuel then Miller/Barrett would be the go to guys.
Just food for thought on something.
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you saw cardale run it frequently with poor success in his first two starts. He's neither great at running it nor particularly dynamic with the ball.
Conversely, his strength and straight line quickness makes him pretty effective at escaping the pocket (or a bear hug) and picking up positive yards when things break down.
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Cardale's give-take-give-fumble exchange with Elliott showed me everything I needed to know about that. They did not call another read play the rest of the game if I'm not mistaken -- they were all predetermined gives or QB runs.
Having watched JT run the read-option vs Cardale, I think it's pretty obvious why the coaches went with JT coming out of camp, despite Cardale's ability to push the ball down field with explosive, chunk plays.
People need to remember what JT accomplished this season en route to stuffing the stat sheet. That includes, I reckon, leading the country in number of cameramen following the wrong player off of JT's ball handling, which was really quite ridiculous.
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matcar
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That's what I'm seeing as well. I think that's why JT runs the offense "more effectively", because that's really his skill set.
CJ is physically gifted for his size and is a real bear to bring down. He can stand tall in the pocket, take the heat, push a guy off and the drive forward if he needs to. But that really isn't what Meyer's "preferred" offense does. I'm assuming that's why JT was chosen. JT distributes the ball well, but is more elusive within the running game. Kudos to Herman and Meyer for finding the plan that works for CJ.
Now, they could choose to stick with CJ next year if he gives the best chance for success, but in mind, that would mean running a slightly different t offense than we ran most of this year. Read option is not CJ's strength.
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Much like the transition from Braxton to JT, I feel the offense is pretty similar, they simply scale back certain things and feature former rarities/weaknesses under the old QB.
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matcar
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Maybe it really IS more tweaks than I'm thinking, but somehow the differences between Braxton and JT seem smaller than the differences between CJ and the others, simply because the others are more elusive and a real threat in the read option. I could be wrong but CJ really just doesn't seem to be a read option guy. And if that's the case, he would seem to be a large departure from Meyer's typical offense. But again, I reserve the right to be wrong, I usually am in these cases.
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Frankly Braxton wasn't much of one before 2013 either. His skill set should be a pwrfectatch but like denard he was surprisingly inefficient at running the option,and taking off on scrambles.
As they showed the last 3 weeks, cardale simply needs to become adequate to be deadly (also like Braxton).
That said, I'm not sure he beats out a healthy jt, and if he fails to do that, he may not play much barring injury (assuming Braxton can throw a little ).
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From the people I've spoken to, admittedly not world class athletes who were operated on by the leading surgeon in the field, that's quite a bit of an assumption. I think the fact that he tore it again just tossing the ball this past fall is not a good sign that Miller will ever regain the arm strength to be an effective quarterback. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm dubious that Miller ever plays QB again for Ohio State... or anyone else, for that matter.
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ShowMeBuck
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I will be surprised if JT isnt the starter next year assuming he heals up ok. Not sure who the back ups will be.
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I agree. The question is not whether he can unseat JT but rather whether he can moonlight as the best wildcat qb in america. If he can, that casts a serious doubt over Cardale's ability to get quality reps if he is not the starter.
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