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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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I do not believe that Braxton ever had much of a chance of playing QB at the next level: not accurate enough, had difficulty with some throws, etc. Someone would have probably taken him with a late round pick to see what he could do. Add on 2 major throwing shoulder surgeries, and I'm not sure anyone would want to touch him as a QB. However, the guy is a great college QB, primarily because he is an athletic freak and an elite runner. Whoever has his ear needs to make sure he is realistic about his future as a pro. If he sees his future as a RB/slot player, he can prove his draft worth by staying at Ohio State and learning that role. They can line him up all over the place and do a ton of creative things with him. But if Brax wants to play QB next year in college, he will have to do it somewhere else, and I wish him nothing but the best.

I'm salivating over the possibility of having the option of giving the ball to Elliott or Braxton. Insane.

So, that leaves us with JT and Cardale. These are two different guys. Mr Efficiency vs. Mr Big (arm and otherwise). With JT you get the offense that we have seen since Urban got here run with great efficiency: accurate passing, correct reads, and more speed with QB runs. With Cardale you have more of a power running game that includes the QB, and a more down-the-field passing game. Both are really good at what they do, and we can obviously win with both. If forced to choose, I'm taking JT. But if both are here, you have to give Cardale playing time as well. That would be the trickiest part of having both of them. If Cardale left, you get Collier/Burrow/Gibson/whoever developing and we go from there.

The only disasterous outcome here in my opinion would be if JT Barrett left. I'm hoping all 3 of them are here next year.
 
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I love our situation, but I would like to see Cardale get the nod. He is the best NFL caliber QB we have, and IMO only, the offense moves so much better with Cardale. Eze ran for staggering numbers with Cardale at the helm, Cardale absolutely wears teams down running the ball, and we all know about his accurate cannon. Cardale to start one year, head to the NFL, then we still have 2 years with JT. People, I think this is a win/win.
 
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I recall getting into an argument in this thread earlier in the season saying that the increased production and efficiency at quarterback was largely a result of the improvements made at wide receiver. Does anybody still want to argue against that, or do people really think that Urban Meyer fell ass-backwards into what happened this season in spite of seemingly setting his QB depth chart in the opposite order of how the internet perceives their respective abilities?
 
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jlb1705 said:
I recall getting into an argument in this thread earlier in the season saying that the increased production and efficiency at quarterback was largely a result of the improvements made at wide receiver. Does anybody still want to argue against that, or do people really think that Urban Meyer fell ass-backwards into what happened this season in spite of seemingly setting his QB depth chart in the opposite order of how the internet perceives their respective abilities?
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Urban has consistently said, "The QB is a product of those around him." So, throughout the year, but especially when JT got hurt, I think every unit on that team elevated their play. In the Va Tech game we saw what JT looked like with a shaky OL, some WR's that dropped balls, and an under-whelming running game. So, we should know that what Urban is saying is true. On the other hand, would Joe Bauserman have led us to the NC? Serious question.
 
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OSUK said:
Urban has consistently said, "The QB is a product of those around him." So, throughout the year, but especially when JT got hurt, I think every unit on that team elevated their play. In the Va Tech game we saw what JT looked like with a shaky OL, some WR's that dropped balls, and an under-whelming running game. So, we should know that what Urban is saying is true. On the other hand, would Joe Bauserman have led us to the NC? Serious question.
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No, but nobody is comparing any of these guys to Joe Bauserman.
 
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The serious part of it is if you surrounded Joe in this system with these players, could he do well?

The point is that there does have to be some level of talent there, or the guys you have around the QB might not be able to elevate him.

But I do think Joe could turn around and hand the ball to Zeke. :)
 
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I hope either Cardale of Braxton opts for the NFL. You can balance two starting-caliber players, but three would be difficult. I think the best option at quarterback is Barrett followed by Jones and then Miller. While our offense was at its best with Jones at the helm, I believe sustained success under that kind of offense could prove the most difficult. Ohio State is good enough to out-talent most of their opponents this year, and even when the offense is "shut down" they'll still get at least 24 points per game, but I think taking away the deep passing game (let's say 15+ yards) is the easiest task for an opposing defense.

Jones did his work against Wisconsin who didn't have any tape to work with, Alabama, who has admittedly bad defensive backs, and Oregon, who just kind of sucks at defense. I'm not diminishing the success that he had by any means, merely pointing out that the success may be more difficult to replicate than some people expect. I'd say most people would agree that Miller is the best runner and worst passer, and that leaves Barrett. JT was the most consistent thrower of the three of them, and also led the most balanced attack. The offense wasn't as explosive with Barrett at QB, but the running game had yet to hit it's full stride at that point. I think the 200 yards per game rushing offense plus the meanest play action you've ever seen is our best-case-scenario.

While writing something like this I like to reflect on the fact that other legitimate programs, like say the University of Florida, had zero options at QB this year. Here we are discussing which one of our three NFL-quality QBs will start next year.
 
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BuckeyeMafia said:
I hope either Cardale of Braxton opts for the NFL. You can balance two starting-caliber players, but three would be difficult. I think the best option at quarterback is Barrett followed by Jones and then Miller. While our offense was at its best with Jones at the helm, I believe sustained success under that kind of offense could prove the most difficult. Ohio State is good enough to out-talent most of their opponents this year, and even when the offense is "shut down" they'll still get at least 24 points per game, but I think taking away the deep passing game (let's say 15+ yards) is the easiest task for an opposing defense.

Jones did his work against Wisconsin who didn't have any tape to work with, Alabama, who has admittedly bad defensive backs, and Oregon, who just kind of sucks at defense. I'm not diminishing the success that he had by any means, merely pointing out that the success may be more difficult to replicate than some people expect. I'd say most people would agree that Miller is the best runner and worst passer, and that leaves Barrett. JT was the most consistent thrower of the three of them, and also led the most balanced attack. The offense wasn't as explosive with Barrett at QB, but the running game had yet to hit it's full stride at that point. I think the 200 yards per game rushing offense plus the meanest play action you've ever seen is our best-case-scenario.

While writing something like this I like to reflect on the fact that other legitimate programs, like say the University of Florida, had zero options at QB this year. Here we are discussing which one of our three NFL-quality QBs will start next year.
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Statistically at least, I think the offense was actually more balanced with Jones at QB. However, despite the things that he does better than the other QBs, he was not a threat to throw over the middle. Regardless of whether he's here or somewhere else next season, it will be interesting to see if he can make that part of his game.

Barrett actually had kind of a rough November (perhaps not statistically, but he really struggled for stretches and the offense sputtered as a result.) Remember all of those games where people thought the Buckeyes weren't winning enough style points?

I think the composition of the receiving corps will have a huge say in how this all shakes out. Smith, Spencer and Heuerman are all gone. A lot of the guys that will be out there next season are guys that have probably built some sort of chemistry with Jones practicing in the second unit. Miller will be throwing to an entirely different set of guys than he used to, and to a lesser extent the same is true for Barrett. Along with that, does a consistent deep threat emerge from that group? Does somebody fill Devin Smith's shoes? If there ends up being no true deep threat, it could end up negating one of the things Jones does best.
 
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