2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[JTB16]

How many TDs did you think Cardale Jones was going to throw for this season?

What does that have to do with anything? are you saying Collier is going to start next year and put up over 45 TDs? because to be better then certain players that means you have to out-preform those players. good to know we can expect 50+ TDs from another RS freshman next year.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

i doubt it.
Collier is going to put up 45 TDs next year?

What does that have to do with anything? are you saying Collier is going to start next year and put up over 45 TDs? because to be better then certain players that means you have to out-preform those players. good to know we can expect 50+ TDs from another RS freshman next year.

So, you knew before the Navy game that Barrett was going to account for 45 TDs this season?

 

[jlb1705]

What does that have to do with anything? are you saying Collier is going to start next year and put up over 45 TDs? because to be better then certain players that means you have to out-preform those players. good to know we can expect 50+ TDs from another RS freshman next year.

My point is that this season has blown up every single expectation of the quarterback position at Ohio State. Making predictions in the wake of that is foolish. We have no idea if certain players might stay or go. We have no idea how rehab will go. There is no QB coach on staff after Monday night and spring practices still to take place.

35 pages in this thread so far, with most participants making specific, bold predictions. A few people might be right - I'm sure everybody thinks they're the ones in that group. A lot of people will likely end up being wrong. We've already been wrong a lot over the last six months.

 

[JTB16]

So, you knew before the Navy game that Barrett was going to account for 45 TDs this season?

again, that has nothing to do with it. its the fact he has to beat out 3 great QBS AND put up 50 TDs or more to be considered better.
if you want to be delusional and think that can happen then feel free.

 

[JTB16]

My point is that this season has blown up every single expectation of the quarterback position at Ohio State. Making predictions in the wake of that is foolish. We have no idea if certain players might stay or go. We have no idea how rehab will go. There is no QB coach on staff after Monday night and spring practices still to take place.

35 pages in this thread so far, with most participants making specific, bold predictions. A few people might be right - I'm sure everybody thinks they're the ones in that group. A lot of people will likely end up being wrong. We've already been wrong a lot over the last six months.

but the fact remains to be considered better, he would have to start producing next year and at a very high level. you cant be considered better without the production. the fact also remains theres a mountain sized challenge in front of him having 2 very good QBs coming in along with 3 elite CFB QBs already on the roster, 2 of which have 2 more years to play. Based on that, he's the most likley to leave

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

again, that has nothing to do with it. its the fact he has to beat out 3 great QBS AND put up 50 TDs or more to be considered better.
if you want to be delusional and think that can happen then feel free.

Yes, it does. If Barrett can come in as a completely inexperienced QB and light it up, you can't say that Collier can't do the same. In fact, Collier will be in the exact same boat next season experience-wise (RS frosh with zero PT) as was Barrett. And back in 2013, they gave 12 Gauge PT while putting the redshirt on Barrett, and Barrett won the #2 position only days before Miller's injury, making what Barrett did more improbable. And who thought that 12 Gauge would do as well as he is now under the situation? Bottom line is that you never can predict just how good a QB will turn out to be.

If you think you know enough to categorically write off a kid before you've even seen him play, then you're the one who's delusional.

 

[JTB16]

Yes, it does. If Barrett can come in as a completely inexperienced QB and light it up, you can't say that Collier can't do the same. In fact, Collier will be in the exact same boat next season experience-wise (RS frosh with zero PT) as was Barrett. And back in 2013, they gave 12 Gauge PT while putting the redshirt on Barrett, and Barrett won the #2 position only days before Miller's injury, making what Barrett did more improbable. And who thought that 12 Gauge would do as well as he is now under the situation? Bottom line is that you never can predict just how good a QB will turn out to be.

If you think you know enough to categorically write off a kid before you've even seen him play, then you're the one who's delusional.

no it does not. sorry. and yes i can say the same. Collier wont be in the same boat because Barrett didnt have 4 QBs to beat out like Collier will. you leave out Barrett got RS because he was coming off an ACL injury and tore the other one (or the same one i cant remember) it wasn't a talent reason he got a RS. and bottom line is yes i can predict it.

 

[Onebuckfan]

A lot of QB Discussion...UFM has a plan..No Worries..I was worried when Miller got hurt..Now I realize UFM is prepared for anything

 

[Mike80]

no it does not. sorry. and yes i can say the same. Collier wont be in the same boat because Barrett didnt have 4 QBs to beat out like Collier will. you leave out Barrett got RS because he was coming off an ACL injury and tore the other one (or the same one i cant remember) it wasn't a talent reason he got a RS. and bottom line is yes i can predict it.

You're able to predict what an 18 year old kid taking a redshirt is going to do? Why are you here then?

 

[Wadcutter]

no it does not. sorry. and yes i can say the same. Collier wont be in the same boat because Barrett didnt have 4 QBs to beat out like Collier will. you leave out Barrett got RS because he was coming off an ACL injury and tore the other one (or the same one i cant remember) it wasn't a talent reason he got a RS. and bottom line is yes i can predict it.

Hey while you're at it could you give me the MegaMillions numbers for the next drawing then? Kthx

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

no it does not. sorry. and yes i can say the same. Collier wont be in the same boat because Barrett didnt have 4 QBs to beat out like Collier will. you leave out Barrett got RS because he was coming off an ACL injury and tore the other one (or the same one i cant remember) it wasn't a talent reason he got a RS. and bottom line is yes i can predict it.

So you know for a fact that Miller's not transferring, or that his injury will fully heal returning him to 100%? Or Barrett's? The number of QBs in front of a QB is not of factor, at all, of how well he'll play once he gets on the field. Jones was jumped at the last minute before the season by Barrett, and yet here he is possibly leading us to a national title by beating the three teams having the Heisman finalists (not the mention Doak Walker and Biletnikoff winners) including the #1 and #2 seeds.

 

[mattynokes]

I actually think theres a good chance collier leaves or quits. Freshman and Sophmores ahead of him that he probably wont pass anytime soon, plus an elite DT QB and another very good one in this class in Burrow.

Get that shit out of here. Quits? Where are you getting this? Now there's a very real possibility that he transfers, but I don't think that would happen until after next season. If he comes into camp ahead of Burrow and Gibson then he'd be in line for a year of starting (possibly two if Barrett leaves early). Personally I think Burrow/Gibson will get PT over him, but I could be wrong and he could wind up a Troy Smith.

But quitting? He'd easily be of interest to FCS schools, if not mid-major FBS schools.

 

[JTB16]

You're able to predict what an 18 year old kid taking a redshirt is going to do? Why are you here then?

yes i am. he's clearly not better then the 3 ahead of him or he would be playing monday, and he didnt look any better then the 2 coming in.

 

[JTB16]

So you know for a fact that Miller's not transferring, or that his injury will fully heal returning him to 100%? Or Barrett's? The number of QBs in front of a QB is not of factor, at all, of how well he'll play once he gets on the field. Jones was jumped at the last minute before the season by Barrett, and yet here he is possibly leading us to a national title by beating the three teams having the Heisman finalists (not the mention Doak Walker and Biletnikoff winners) including the #1 and #2 seeds.

Well considering he would have had to be enrolled to most schools by now to transfer its looking like a pretty safe bet thats he's not. unless you honesty think some school is going to say "hey come learn our brand new system for 2-3 weeks and we'll make you the starting QB" and why wouldn't barrett be 100%? no reason whatsoever not to think so.

yes it is a factor, in fact its the only factor in the world that matters really. we know Collier doesn't have the talent to be a starter, and he has to beat out other guys on top of it. and no Jones was not jumped at the last minute, not even anything close to the truth.

 

[JTB16]

Get that [Mark May] out of here. Quits? Where are you getting this? Now there's a very real possibility that he transfers, but I don't think that would happen until after next season. If he comes into camp ahead of Burrow and Gibson then he'd be in line for a year of starting (possibly two if Barrett leaves early). Personally I think Burrow/Gibson will get PT over him, but I could be wrong and he could wind up a Troy Smith.

But quitting? He'd easily be of interest to FCS schools, if not mid-major FBS schools.

simple really, he wont play here but he wont find many other schools to get a degree from