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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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cincibuck said:
The beauty of college football is that you don't have to have pocket passer to win the whole shootin' match. Tebow, Pryor, Miller, Vince Young were special athletes but they weren't/aren't NFL QBs
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The two of those that won Championships had pretty good passing stats nonetheless.

VY 2005
212/325 65.2% 3036yds 9.3avg 26TD/10int 163.9 QBR
including in the most important game
30/40 75% 267 6.7 0/0 131.1

Tebow as the starter:
234/350 66.9% 3286 9.4 32/6 172.5
192/298 64.4% 2746 9.2 30/4 172.4
213/314 67.8% 2895 9.2 21/5 164.2
most important games:
SECCG 14/22 63.6% 216 9.8 3/0 191.1
NCG 18/30 60% 231 7.7 2/2 133.3

Pryor had a pretty good Junior season to be fair, along with his MVP from Rose Bowl
210/323 65 2772 8.6 27/11 157.9
Sugar Bowl:
14/25 56% 221 8.84 2/0 156.7

Soph Rose Bowl:
23/37 62.2% 266 7.2 2/1 135.0
 
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kujirakira said:
The two of those that won Championships had pretty good passing stats nonetheless.

VY 2005
212/325 65.2% 3036yds 9.3avg 26TD/10int 163.9 QBR
including in the most important game
30/40 75% 267 6.7 0/0 131.1

Tebow as the starter:
234/350 66.9% 3286 9.4 32/6 172.5
192/298 64.4% 2746 9.2 30/4 172.4
213/314 67.8% 2895 9.2 21/5 164.2
most important games:
SECCG 14/22 63.6% 216 9.8 3/0 191.1
NCG 18/30 60% 231 7.7 2/2 133.3

Pryor had a pretty good Junior season to be fair, along with his MVP from Rose Bowl
210/323 65 2772 8.6 27/11 157.9
Sugar Bowl:
14/25 56% 221 8.84 2/0 156.7

Soph Rose Bowl:
23/37 62.2% 266 7.2 2/1 135.0
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Yes but none of those guys were reliant on their arms, it was their legs that got most their victories. VY's NC game is highlighted by his scamper into the end zone. Pryor's most memorable games are of him gliding for large chunks of yards and delivering punishing stiff arms. And same with Tebow. All were only so accurate because defense were more terrified of them running so they became so susceptible to the pass. That doesn't work so well in the NFL
 
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jwinslow said:
People whine about urban running up the score already. Imagine the numbers and whining if/when Braxton is the one running out the clock, surely with more freedom to pass the ball to keep his star player happy. the tears would be delicious and the stats would be unprecedented
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If OSU misses out on the playoffs this year, I'd be afraid to be Va Tech next season.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Yes but none of those guys were reliant on their arms, it was their legs that got most their victories. VY's NC game is highlighted by his scamper into the end zone. Pryor's most memorable games are of him gliding for large chunks of yards and delivering punishing stiff arms. And same with Tebow. All were only so accurate because defense were more terrified of them running so they became so susceptible to the pass. That doesn't work so well in the NFL
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Exactly. It was their running ability that caused defenses to play differently than normal. Of those I mentioned only Tebow had a passing form that resembled how NFL QBs look when throwing. Not to take anything from Miller, he's been great fun to watch, you know he gives you his best effort every game, but he had nowhere near the throw/don't throw discipline as a frosh or sophomore that JT possess as a frosh. Both were pressed into service before they were ready, both had the benefit of early admission and spring football, but other than converting Miller to H back -and then what do you do with Wilson and Marshall? - I don't see a starting spot for him next year.
 
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cincibuck said:
Exactly. It was their running ability that caused defenses to play differently than normal. Of those I mentioned only Tebow had a passing form that resembled how NFL QBs look when throwing. Not to take anything from Miller, he's been great fun to watch, you know he gives you his best effort every game, but he had nowhere near the throw/don't throw discipline as a frosh or sophomore that JT possess as a frosh. Both were pressed into service before they were ready, both had the benefit of early admission and spring football, but other than converting Miller to H back -and then what do you do with Wilson and Marshall? - I don't see a starting spot for him next year.
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FWIW we're out 2 WRs and not sure what to expect from Corey & Greene, or Dixon coming off injury. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilson bumps out to "pure" WR. Then Brax and Jalin at pivot would split same as Wilson/Jalin this year. It seems ideal situation for this offense is having 2 guys at every skill position.
Braxton would get more than enough touches to showcase his abilities to scouts but split time reducing injury risk.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
If I'm Braxton, I opt for the draft as an athlete. Barring that, I tell Urban that I want to come back as an H-back/QB hybrid and ensure that no one mentions the Percy Harvin-position anymore as henceforth Braxton Miller will be the standard by which pivot players will be measured.
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kujirakira said:
FWIW we're out 2 WRs and not sure what to expect from Corey & Greene, or Dixon coming off injury. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilson bumps out to "pure" WR. Then Brax and Jalin at pivot would split same as Wilson/Jalin this year. It seems ideal situation for this offense is having 2 guys at every skill position.
Braxton would get more than enough touches to showcase his abilities to scouts but split time reducing injury risk.
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Good point, had not thought of that yet. Dontre and Thomas outside, Miller/Jalin at pivot, and Vannett at TE. Weapons, weapons, weapons. Think of JT motioning Brax to the back field and trying to pick one guy on a zone read to crash on? Whatever role Braxton comes back in, it will be fun to watch.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Good point, had not thought of that yet. Dontre and Thomas outside, Miller/Jalin at pivot, and Vannett at TE. Weapons, weapons, weapons. Think of JT motioning Brax to the back field and trying to pick one guy on a zone read to crash on? Whatever role Braxton comes back in, it will be fun to watch.
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Just thinking about all the options of a Jet Sweep Play Action play is giving me a partial.
 
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Coqui said:
If OSU misses out on the playoffs this year, I'd be afraid to be Va Tech next season.
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pnuts34 said:
Agreed, but also I'd be afraid to be Va Tech because an improved JT Barrett will be looking for revenge and Braxton will want to prove himself that he's not rusty and still one of the most dangerous players in CFB
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pnut34 beat me to it. VT had better be on their best performance lest they run out of their own stadium...
 
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So, I guess I'll be the one to douse a little water on this fire...

1) How do we expect to incorporate the former starting quarterback, a fragile, make-you-miss not run-you-over, player into an Urban Meyer scheme that relies heavily on being able to block? I agree that his attributes do fit well into the RB mold, but it reminds me of the Pryor to WR talk- is the guy willing to give up the body- go across the middle (TP's case)? Or lay out on a blitzer (Brax's case)? Not saying Miller isn't because the guy is a hell of a competitor, but to my next point...

2) Braxton may not even be ready for contact until Fall Practice. Even then, we're talking about not having been in football activities for a year and returning to not only throw the ball, but possibly be put in the most physically demanding position of RB where he would be sure to take hits. All this already having been what I'd say is pretty fragile in regards to injuries and coming back from a serious shoulder problem.

But then I think...if anyone can scheme, design, and implement a 2-QB system that would put Braxton in a position to succeed while doing the best to protect him, it'd be Urban Meyer and Tom Herman. Especially with an offseason to hit the lab and build this monster.

3) However, I'm not sure as coaches how they could spend all that offseason time trying to design something that may or may not be available, depending on Braxton's health. It would seem to be a disservice to strip down the Ferrari when it should be gearing up to break the speedometer the following year. And when exactly are these plays actually going to be practiced? The 15 practices before the start of a National Championship contending year when Braxton is ready? During the season when he's more game-ready and fully back...but time is sparse when they have more game prep to do each week?

I've got a ton of admiration for Braxton Miller. I'm with Urban when he originally said "that's my quarterback" because I absolutely love watching #5 play. One of my all-time favorites. And more than anything I want that legacy and senior year he deserves to have play out on the field. I just worry about the practicality of all the talk that is starting to creep up. If Urban and Braxton can pull it all off it would be one of the most unique and fascinating storylines in Buckeye history and we'd be in for a treat.

Here's to Urban F. Meyer, Braxton Miller, and Joe Thomas Barrett making history next year. Can't wait.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
1) How do we expect to incorporate the former starting quarterback, a fragile, make-you-miss not run-you-over, player into an Urban Meyer scheme that relies heavily on being able to block? I agree that his attributes do fit well into the RB mold, but it reminds me of the Pryor to WR talk- is the guy willing to give up the body- go across the middle (TP's case)? Or lay out on a blitzer (Brax's case)? Not saying Miller isn't because the guy is a hell of a competitor, but to my next point...
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You cannot possibly be talking about Braxton Miller. He may have been injury-prone, but he has never, ever shied away from contact...in fact, Meyer had to tell him to dial it back because he didn't want his Heisman-candidate QB getting hurt lowering his shoulder into a defender...
 
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