Let's just see how the rest of the season play out shall we? Yes, this team is putting down some ridiculous numbers, but we haven't accomplished anything yet.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
I've always been a Braxton fan, but I don't think there is any debate on who will be the starter next year for a variety of reasons. This situation will work itself out on its own and I see Braxton headed to the NFL.
We saw the difficulties in moving from a running QB to a more dual threat QB....and to change back again? That's major adjustments for everyone, not to mention a young OL that is finally starting to gel in front of JT. We saw the difficulties in play calling adjustments and Herman is now really starting to get comfortable with the options available to him. We've seen JT's confidence soar, we've seen opposing defenses helpless to defend our variety of weapons, etc. There is no going back at this point.
We saw the difficulties in moving from a running QB to a more dual threat QB....and to change back again? That's major adjustments for everyone, not to mention a young OL that is finally starting to gel in front of JT. We saw the difficulties in play calling adjustments and Herman is now really starting to get comfortable with the options available to him. We've seen JT's confidence soar, we've seen opposing defenses helpless to defend our variety of weapons, etc. There is no going back at this point.
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
I mean... clearly that's not what I was saying, but feel free to take it that way.
JT is more developed in certain aspects of his game than both TP and Brax were at that same time. Other parts, I don't believe so.
To look at him now and say "wow, imagine what he'd be like as a senior" and "JT is staring his career better than where they ended theirs" is pretty assuming, imo.
He's been very good through 6 games. I still think I take Brax at 100% in crunch time right now, JT still has to prove himself in the clutch a la TP v Wisky in 2008 or Brax v Wisky in 2011.
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
JT has won me over. That could change if he throws 5 picks against MSU, but I don't see that happening. I also don't see JT holding a clipboard next year. JT is clearly the more efficent passer and he is better on the zone read. Braxton is the best scrambler and open field runner I have ever seen play QB at Ohio State.
My suggestion - which probably will not be taken (and probably shouldn't be taken) is that JT plays QB with 3 wides and Ezekiel and Braxton behind him. You mix that in with Brax running the spread from the QB position for 1 series a quarter or running a wildcat offense. It could be unstoppable.
Egos would probably get in the way, but Brax's best talent is running and JT's is accuracy in the passing game. Finding a way to use both would be a devastating combo. And it would probably be the best thing for Brax's future. I don't see him being a successful pocket pro QB. Regardless, it's a great problem to have.
My suggestion - which probably will not be taken (and probably shouldn't be taken) is that JT plays QB with 3 wides and Ezekiel and Braxton behind him. You mix that in with Brax running the spread from the QB position for 1 series a quarter or running a wildcat offense. It could be unstoppable.
Egos would probably get in the way, but Brax's best talent is running and JT's is accuracy in the passing game. Finding a way to use both would be a devastating combo. And it would probably be the best thing for Brax's future. I don't see him being a successful pocket pro QB. Regardless, it's a great problem to have.
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
I'm feeling very nostalgic for the electricity of having Braxton in a Buckeye uniform. I just don't want it to be over with. I'm beyond pleased with JT thus far, but I really want to see Braxton don the Scarlet and Gray some more.
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buckeyeintn
Legend
In a perfect world I would love to have them both healthy and in S&G next year. Let the coaches get the best playmakers on the field and use them to optimize the offense. The electricity of Braxton and the consistent solid play of JT. How would they do it? I have no idea. But that's not a bad problem to have.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
This example may break the old addage of if you have two QBs you probably have none.
Alternating every two series or something would give every DC we face a two week migraine. How the hell do you prepare for a two headed monster like that?
Alternating every two series or something would give every DC we face a two week migraine. How the hell do you prepare for a two headed monster like that?
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I wonder how many of the people that are dead certain that Miller should be gone are the same ones that insisted that Cardale Jones would be used as a goal line ballcarrier this season.
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Yertle
Pounding out aggression, turns into obsession
I'm still amazed by this thread. JT has looked great, but it's against absolutely AWFUL teams. Sorry Maryland and Rutgers, but yes, I'm including you guys in the awful defense group. After everything we've seen Braxton do during the last 3 years, I'm shocked that we are so quick to anoint his successor.
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Jackson or Germaine?
Belisari or Moherman?
Krenzel or McMullen?
Zwick or Smith?
Boeckman or Schoenhoft?
Miller or Guiton?
Barrett or Miller?
It's so hard to pick my favorite premature QB controversy.
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From what I can tell, nobody has purported JT > Braxton is set in stone, just that there is a legit debate to be had. Imo we have so many weapons now that if Braxton comes back, he will need to work hard on his short-intermediate game. Spielman mentioned this on Saturday but JT is exceptional at hitting guys in stride and maximizing the yards after catch. So often Braxton threw the ball into the ground or behind the receiver to the point that even if it was complete, it took away all their momentum and chances to make a play in the open field.
And everyone wants to bring up the competition argument but ignores the fact that Braxton has never had this type of passing production even against a JV defense. And now JT's performance spans 4 games in a row, so the odds of it being an anomaly are slim. The real barometer to me is how a player has actually looked in the game, not the stat sheet. Sure, sometimes there are wide open guys and his stats are inflated with the little shovel passes to Dontre, Jalin, and Samuel. But JT has made some very impressive throws and really can make every single throw there is to make at the college level. I do not want to diminish what Braxton did here because he was a great leader and an incredible player. I think nobody is giving any sort of indictment on Braxton's ability...I think the argument is that with the evolution of our offense and weapons in the arsenal, JT is tailored better to the offense now. As to what the situation will be at QB if Braxton comes back, I really don't want to have that debate until next August...and if we are having that debate then, it will be a good debate to be having.
And everyone wants to bring up the competition argument but ignores the fact that Braxton has never had this type of passing production even against a JV defense. And now JT's performance spans 4 games in a row, so the odds of it being an anomaly are slim. The real barometer to me is how a player has actually looked in the game, not the stat sheet. Sure, sometimes there are wide open guys and his stats are inflated with the little shovel passes to Dontre, Jalin, and Samuel. But JT has made some very impressive throws and really can make every single throw there is to make at the college level. I do not want to diminish what Braxton did here because he was a great leader and an incredible player. I think nobody is giving any sort of indictment on Braxton's ability...I think the argument is that with the evolution of our offense and weapons in the arsenal, JT is tailored better to the offense now. As to what the situation will be at QB if Braxton comes back, I really don't want to have that debate until next August...and if we are having that debate then, it will be a good debate to be having.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Sparty game decides everything. If JT can play anywhere near this level against the spartards, it'll go a long way towards closing the door on any debate.
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The merits of this discussion will be determined over the next three Saturday nights. Presuming the offense doesn't stink up the joint against Penn St and Illinois, JT be a legit Top 5 Heisman candidate heading to East Lansing. If OSU wins that game and he plays well, then it goes from legit debate to legit distraction.
Yes. This is the most remarkable thing to me about him, especially being a RS Fr that has not had meaningful snaps in two years. He hits receivers in stride so they can pick up YAC, but also he doesn't get his receivers killed by leading them into big hits. That type of field awareness cannot be taught, IMO. Frankly, I don't think Braxton has that.
Barrett does not have a comparable arm or touch on the deep ball. His stats would be even crazier if he did (thinking of some of the deep shots against Maryland when OSU had the ball up against the half). But that difference is a wash when Barrett's short outlet passes frequently become 15 yard gains vs Braxton hitting Devin Smith in stride for the bombs but missing the outlet passes 25 to 35% of the time.
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Agreed on all accounts. The whole discussion in this thread is incredibly premature in terms of a "QB battle." I think the real discussion here is everyone comparing the two player's performances against mediocre-poor defenses. The real measurement has yet to come...two crucial away games in prime-time are coming up and that is the true test.
But you illustrated what I was thinking much better than I have been able to convey with the 2nd part of your post. So much of JT's game that has impressed fans are the intangible traits for the position. I have always loved Braxton's natural ability but the areas for improvement are things that you cannot be taught. His shortcomings are not things that are likely to be fixed. And don't get me wrong, he has put so much work into fixing those things...but it's just areas that you have or do not have. UFM summed it up perfectly by saying that Braxton has the "wow factor"...what he left unsaid was that the cerebral part of quarterbacking is what he lacks.
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