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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

I've been saying since spring that Cardale and JT/Braxton in short yardage/goal line situations was the way to go. Granted, it's pretty lame it apparently took the coaches six games to figure that out, but better late than never I guess?

Throw it with Cardale, read option with JT. It's not rocket science.

As a defensive coach, how do you even prepare for the platoon QB situation?

If this is going to be the standard, it's going to be a nightmare for opposing coaches. Nice way to take the stress off of Urban choosing a QB and making the other teams spend time preparing for both.
 
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There's a reason JT moves it better in the red zone. And if you move it better there, then you stand a good chance of doing so for the rest of the field.

A disadvantage of spread type offenses is they are not usually as productive in the red zone as more traditional systems. You can spread out defenders and threaten the entire field, but that doesn't matter as much near the goal line. And they can't just line up in I-formation to get more blockers at the point of attack, spread teams aren't built for that. Our offense has more power elements than most, but we still have those issues. Urban and Herman relied heavily on QB runs to gain a blocker in the red zone, but Urban is trying to shift the offense away from QB runs to reduce injury risks. We've had significant QB injuries every season under Meyer, and we're not going to always have a championship caliber 3rd stringer waiting in the wings. Cardale gives us the best opportunity to move the ball without featuring the QB run game. JT will probably continue to be the red zone QB as it seems to be the only way we can score from goal to go right now, but expect to see some new things over the next few games as the coaching staff tries to unlock this puzzle.
 
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I dislike the 2 QB system especially when JT comes in when we get into the red zone. Jones could have scored two of those rushing touchdowns that JT scored yesterday. Jones was probably not nimble enough to score the touchdown where JT tiptoed the sideline. Changing quarterbacks so frequently is going to bite us one of these times and that is why I do not like it. It is like when Meyer was asked in his postgame press conference if a guy is good enough to play between the 20 yard lines why isn't he good enough to play inside the 20 yard lines. Meyer did not answer the question.
 
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I dislike the 2 QB system especially when JT comes in when we get into the red zone. Jones could have scored two of those rushing touchdowns that JT scored yesterday. Jones was probably not nimble enough to score the touchdown where JT tiptoed the sideline. Changing quarterbacks so frequently is going to bite us one of these times and that is why I do not like it. It is like when Meyer was asked in his postgame press conference if a guy is good enough to play between the 20 yard lines why isn't he good enough to play inside the 20 yard lines. Meyer did not answer the question.

I wouldn't answer it, either. It's a silly question. The field shrinks in the red zone. Having the bigger arm is less important while having quicker feet becomes more important because there's less space. Jones could've scored those two TDs? Maybe, but maybe not. He doesn't have JT's acceleration which can make a big difference in tight quarters.

Bottom line is the offense looked better than it has all season. The notion that you can't win in college football using 2 QBs is fallacious, as Urban Meyer can tell you from first hand experience.
 
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I dislike the 2 QB system especially when JT comes in when we get into the red zone. Jones could have scored two of those rushing touchdowns that JT scored yesterday. Jones was probably not nimble enough to score the touchdown where JT tiptoed the sideline. Changing quarterbacks so frequently is going to bite us one of these times and that is why I do not like it. It is like when Meyer was asked in his postgame press conference if a guy is good enough to play between the 20 yard lines why isn't he good enough to play inside the 20 yard lines. Meyer did not answer the question.

I think you may be missing the point. Meyer is a tactician. Most of what he does or doesn't do isn't by accident. Pulling. Platoon QB system a week before a huge PSU wasn't just something he tried out.

Will we use JT next week in the Red Zone? Maybe, maybe not. But now PSU has to do more than practice on defending Jones and his big arm. They will have to.work on defending JTs option game inside tight quarters. They also will have to spend time looking at defending the Braxcat.

It's psychological warfare at its finest. Penn state has to divide their practice time very decisively and meticulously the next 5 days. That is a serious competitive edge for us next week.
 
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I like this platoon system after thinking of it. It continuously forces a team to defend every inch of the field at all points. I do like CJ'S ability to drill the ball in on slants and he does throw a better deep ball IMO. The beauty about having JT is that while he's certainly the better runner he can also throw the ball as he displayed with his strike to Thomas on 3rd and long. That's why at this point Barrett it a better route than putting Braxton at QB in the red zone because JT is a threat to throw as well.
 
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URBAN MEYER HINTS USING J.T. BARRETT AS OHIO STATE’S RED ZONE QUARTERBACK COULD BE FULL-TIME DEAL GOING FOWARD

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Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer would probably opt for a pencil at this point when mapping out the Buckeyes’ strategy for using J.T. Barrett as the red zone quarterback. He’s not ready to put it in pen or permanent marker just yet.

“I think so, but I’m not writing it in Sharpie yet,” Meyer said Monday during his weekly press conference when asked if Barrett will be used permanently in that role. “We’ll see how it goes.”

After Barrett had served primarily as Ohio State’s backup quarterback through the first five games of the season, the redshirt sophomore played a bit of a different role in the Buckeyes’ 49-28 win over Maryland on Saturday. Cardale Jones started the game and played the majority of the snaps, but anytime Ohio State got close to the red zone area, it was Barrett who came in as the Buckeyes’ signal caller.

Ohio State was 6-for-6 scoring touchdowns in such situations against the Terrapins, something it had struggled mightily with over the first five games.

“I thought it worked outstanding; I was really proud of both guys,” Buckeyes co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Tim Beck said. “Obviously it’s not easy, but they’re both great players, great friends, great competitors and they each bring something to the table.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ate-s-red-zone-quarterback-could-be-full-time
 
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As a defensive coach, how do you even prepare for the platoon QB situation?

If this is going to be the standard, it's going to be a nightmare for opposing coaches. Nice way to take the stress off of Urban choosing a QB and making the other teams spend time preparing for both.

hmmm..... outside of zeke and the o-line I really haven't seen much overly impressive from our offense yet this season.

if I were defending our o I would load the box as much as possible on every down regardless of distance, force anyone but zeke to run the ball, and double Thomas anytime he's on the field. I would be willing to take my chances with anyone else on the field, but im not letting either of those two guys do it if at all possible.

when I see our offense from a defensive mindset this is what I see. an elite rb and an elite oline. a very good qb (barrett or cardale), one wr and 3 slot guys. facing that configuration I would take my chances with cardale running vrs zeke and do everything in my power to deny the short pass against anyone but Thomas (who I would go out of my way to double like crazy). my focus on passing downs would be to deny the short pass and force someone not named Thomas to beat me on deep routes. while cardale is more than capable of throwing the deep ball well enough to beat any d in the ncaa. I don't think we have a legit deep threat at wr currently, and outside of Thomas I wouldn't be worried about anyone else developing into one over the course of a game.

do whatever razzle dazzle you want at qb, but outside of Thomas none of our wr's would worry me outside of their ability to run after the catch. just challenge the short routes as much as possible, do everything possible to keep the ball out of zeke's hands, and take your chances with the deep pass.

while we certainly have the talent to beat such a defense *cough*vt*cough*, that's where I would take my chances.
 
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hmmm..... outside of zeke and the o-line I really haven't seen much overly impressive from our offense yet this season.

if I were defending our o I would load the box as much as possible on every down regardless of distance, force anyone but zeke to run the ball, and double Thomas anytime he's on the field. I would be willing to take my chances with anyone else on the field, but im not letting either of those two guys do it if at all possible.

when I see our offense from a defensive mindset this is what I see. an elite rb and an elite oline. a very good qb (barrett or cardale), one wr and 3 slot guys. facing that configuration I would take my chances with cardale running vrs zeke and do everything in my power to deny the short pass against anyone but Thomas (who I would go out of my way to double like crazy). my focus on passing downs would be to deny the short pass and force someone not named Thomas to beat me on deep routes. while cardale is more than capable of throwing the deep ball well enough to beat any d in the ncaa. I don't think we have a legit deep threat at wr currently, and outside of Thomas I wouldn't be worried about anyone else developing into one over the course of a game.

do whatever razzle dazzle you want at qb, but outside of Thomas none of our wr's would worry me outside of their ability to run after the catch. just challenge the short routes as much as possible, do everything possible to keep the ball out of zeke's hands, and take your chances with the deep pass.

while we certainly have the talent to beat such a defense *cough*vt*cough*, that's where I would take my chances.

5 to 15 yard passes over the middle all day and take give Jalin, Braxton, or Curtis a chance to break a safety's ankles and house it.
 
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hmmm..... outside of zeke and the o-line I really haven't seen much overly impressive from our offense yet this season.

if I were defending our o I would load the box as much as possible on every down regardless of distance, force anyone but zeke to run the ball, and double Thomas anytime he's on the field. I would be willing to take my chances with anyone else on the field, but im not letting either of those two guys do it if at all possible.

when I see our offense from a defensive mindset this is what I see. an elite rb and an elite oline. a very good qb (barrett or cardale), one wr and 3 slot guys. facing that configuration I would take my chances with cardale running vrs zeke and do everything in my power to deny the short pass against anyone but Thomas (who I would go out of my way to double like crazy). my focus on passing downs would be to deny the short pass and force someone not named Thomas to beat me on deep routes. while cardale is more than capable of throwing the deep ball well enough to beat any d in the ncaa. I don't think we have a legit deep threat at wr currently, and outside of Thomas I wouldn't be worried about anyone else developing into one over the course of a game.

do whatever razzle dazzle you want at qb, but outside of Thomas none of our wr's would worry me outside of their ability to run after the catch. just challenge the short routes as much as possible, do everything possible to keep the ball out of zeke's hands, and take your chances with the deep pass.

while we certainly have the talent to beat such a defense *cough*vt*cough*, that's where I would take my chances.
I'd let you double Thomas as he's strong enough to still make a few plays and I would then take Braxton and Marshall both in one on one coverage. Challenging the Wide outs is a smart idea until 1 or 7 run a jab step and instead of running a out route run down the seam or post route as the DB is 5 yards behind them trying to recover.
 
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FILM STUDY: WHAT THE TWO-QUARTERBACK SYSTEM MEANS FOR OHIO STATE'S OFFENSE

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Although he was consistently benched whenever his team reached the red zone, Cardale Jones played his best game yet in an Ohio State uniform Saturday.

Meanwhile, J.T. Barrett finally looked like the player that set 19 school records and won so many awards in 2014. Though history has taught us to believe that a two-quarterback system shouldn't be successful, the Buckeye offense finally looked like the unit that fans have been waiting for in Saturday's victory over Maryland, beating up opponents with an inside running game before attacking downfield in the passing game.

While neither player had seemed totally comfortable when under center this fall, it was plain to see that the system as a whole lacked a cohesion and understanding of who they were and what they did best until now. With Tom Herman's departure, many wondered (aloud) if the Buckeyes could still find a winning recipe, discounting the fact that Urban Meyer has always been heavily involved in the decision-making processes of his offense.

As one of the leading innovators of the 'spread-option' offenses that have taken over the game in the past 15 years, Meyer has long been known for his ability to use the quarterback in the running game to gain a numeric advantage over the defense. At the same time though, he has also preached a philosophy of spreading the ball around to his play-makers, ensuring they have the ability to leave their mark on a game.

Yet this fall, those two ideas have seemingly been at odds. Thanks to the sheer amount of talent at their disposal, the Buckeye offense always seemed to be forcing the ball into the hands of players like Braxton Miller or Curtis Samuel, making an effort to get them involved while simultaneously removing both rhythm and identity from the unit as a whole. Add in the countless differentdefensive looks being thrown their way every week and it's not a surprise that there wasn't a single core concept or play upon which the Buckeyes could depend to pick up yards when they absolutely needed it.

After spending a month trying to find out what pieces fit in where, Saturday's game plan to play Jones at quarterback outside the red zone and Barrett inside of it seemed like a last-ditch effort to find a solution for a stagnating offense. When looking just beyond the surface however, we can see that Meyer is simply doubling down on his two core beliefs.

In his limited playing time thus far, Jones has operated best when asked to make one, easy read in the passing game. In the previous week's win over Indiana, he hit a number of long throws simply by running two deep routes at the free safety and throwing to whichever player was left uncovered. That same idea allowed the OSU running game to get going against Maryland.

By now we've likely all heard about and seen packaged run-pass-options, in which the offensive line and running back execute a running play while the receivers run a short pass route. The concept has become so popular among 'spread' offenses that it's become a core part of some of the NFL's best units, and the 2014 OSU defense's ability to stop them was a big reason for their success.

The Buckeyes have run them for a few years now, but rarely with the same frequency we saw Saturday against Maryland. Jones has looked very uncomfortable running the traditional zone-read in which he's asked to run the football, but is quite the opposite when asked to use the option to open up a throwing lane.

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With Jones at the helm though, these plays become much more difficult to stop, given his ability to fire the ball out all the way across the field, which gives the receiver more open space in which to operate. With the outside linebacker diving inside to play the handoff to Ezekiel Elliott, there is only one defender within 20 yards to beat the blocker and take down the receiver on a quick screen.

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Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...rback-system-means-for-the-ohio-state-offense
 
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