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2014 TSUN Shenanigans and Arguments

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Zurp said:
Bo Schembechler was overrated.
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NFBuck said:
Schembechler was a terrific coach. He won a lot of games. But the fact that he could never manage to win a NC knocks him from the realm of "elite" coaches all-time, in my IMO.
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Just to clarify, "overrated", to me, does not mean "not great" or "not terrific". I agree that he was great and terrific. I have a lot of respect for him. But his bowl record was pretty bad (something like 5-12, including 2-8 in Rose Bowls), and Michigan apologists come back with "yeah, well... he didn't really try very hard to win those games." Sounds to me like an excuse invented late in his career. And the amount he gets "rated" by many Michigan fans is higher than it should be, in my IMO.
 
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Zurp said:
Kinda fun to read Michigan fans arguing about whether Bo Schembechler was overrated.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019&t=12826669&p=1

(Spoiler alert: he was)
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Looking at his record, his high point was definitely knocking off OSU in '69 and '71... and then losing in the Rose Bowl both years.

After that his best years ('72-'74) were spoiled by losing to OSU and/or not going to a bowl game. Once he got the upper hand in the Ten Year War during the latter part of the decade he lost at least two games per season and five straight bowl games from '75 to '79.

He managed to not lose a game only once in his career ('73, when they famously didn't go to the Rose Bowl) and from '75 on he only managed to lose less than two games once in '85.

That combined with a 5-12 bowl record and the 'overrated' argument is easy to make.

Something else that has screwed them ever since is the Schembechler coaching tree, which is an utter joke compared to his contemporary Earl Bruce.

Bruce's legacy has left Ohio State with an abundance of amazing coaching choices and is a gift that keeps on giving.

Schembechler's coaching tree left them with Brady Hoke as the only viable "Michigan man" that had any interest in their dumpster fire (hello, Les Miles) and outside of a Harbaugh (which doesn't really even count) the rest of the branches are withered and dead as far as I can tell.

Have fun with that the next time you need to find a coach you arrogant douchebags! :lol:
 
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mgoblog takes a look at the pizza man's reign as AD. At this point, I'd say he's giving GBYBM, YMSOB a serious run for his money:

I am taken aback by the idea Dave Brandon is a sly fox who always gets his way. It's true the first thing he had to tackle—stretchgate—was seemingly done with aplomb, but in retrospect since the USC case the NCAA hasn't done anything to anybody of note that didn't involve 1) multiple lies from the head coach about NCAA violations or 2) horrible horrible felonies. You or I could have piloted Michigan to a slap on the wrist once the various improprieties turned out to be 15 minutes of extra stretching and grad assistants looking in on summer practices.

Since then:

  • Michigan hired Brady Hoke, possibly because negotiations with Jim Harbaugh went poorly. That "all that glitters is not gold" line from the press conference lingers as bitterness over those negotiations breaking down.
  • Michigan gave Brady Hoke a top ten contract when he was not in demand anywhere else and said he'd walk to Michigan.
  • Michigan and Ohio State got stuck in opposite divisions with a crossover game, thus guaranteeing that Michigan would have the hardest schedule in their division over time had they lasted.
  • Michigan played Alabama for less than they would get for a home game. The head-staving by Alabama made no financial sense, as Michigan traded a huge TV event and a game with ticket prices that were 50-100% higher than home game tickets for an outlay parsimonious enough that bringing the band was a big problem.
  • Michigan wore a series of clowniforms. Fan pushback was so severe on this that they have dialed it back out of necessity. Meanwhile, Michigan can't even get uniforms that are, you know, uniform from Adidas.
  • Notre Dame cancelled the Michigan series. They punked Brandon along the way, blindsiding him and getting themselves the last home game in the series after getting the first when the teams resumed.
  • Michigan gave Al Borges a 300k raise. I mean. Gotta retain that guy.
  • Michigan replaced Notre Dame with Arkansas. Look at future MSU and OSU schedules, which feature Oregon and Alabama and Oklahoma and Texas, for comparison.
  • Michigan got stuck with MSU and OSU away in the same year. Not only that, they get to travel to MSU twice in a row.
  • Michigan couldn't get Mitch McGary's suspension reduced. OSU DE Noah Spence is going to miss three games for testing positive for X or something like it, this after an appeal that reduced the punishment from a whole year. Meanwhile, the NCAA reduced the penalty for McGary's transgression two weeks after he received it. Michigan still got rejected by the NCAA.
With rights fees negotiated by the league, Brandon's main accomplishment as AD has been to raise ticket prices. Any bro in a suit could have done this. Any time he's had to interact with another human in an effort to protect Michigan's best interest or bottom line he's either lost or not even tried. (Night games are not an accomplishment. Networks aren't like "Michigan at night… pshaw." Michigan had been actively resisting them for years.)

His biggest negotiation wins are things that are nice for the bottom line but don't actually have any impact long term. And they're probably attributable more to the capacity of Michigan Stadium than anything else: the Winter Classic and this upcoming Man U-Real Madrid friendly.

So. While it's possible Dave Brandon wanted this home schedule—after all, he is personally responsible for the Horror II—it's more likely he just got run over by the Big Ten, because that's how things go. Things make much more sense if you think of Dave Brandon as Lucille Ball than as Gordon Gekko.
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http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/04/analysis_why_is_michigan_still.html#incart_river


So the weasels, are finding excuses to why they'll finish with 7-8 wins this season months before the season starts. I guess they realize no one within their right mind will coach there so they need to find a reason to keep jHoke for another year or 2, and this is this is how they rationalize it... Youth(and continually blaming RichRod). If I recall OSU coming into this season isn't exactly senior laden ourselves.

:thinking:
 
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