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2014 TSUN Shenanigans and Arguments

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just some thoughts. I can think of at least one major reason to prefer a pro job to a college job: recruiting. The travel, the intense time between vocal commits and NLOID, kissing ass to a bunch of teenagers and their parents. Both jobs force you to deal with jaded players - but I sense that in the pros the players do a good deal of the work to keep jerks in line - or management trades them to the Bengals.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Supposedly officially official now:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12091512/michigan-announce-hiring-jim-harbaugh
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We've seen ESECPN announce new scUM coaching hires only to be wrong before....

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And if they are right this time....meh
 
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pnuts34 said:
The alma mater excuse, is still a joke, IM . He's going to scUM because they broke the bank to get him. And I wouldn't hope that OSU has a fan base smug enough to expect an OSU alum to come and coach the team, as much as I'd like for OSU to hire the most qualified coach. Last I checked, Tressel was not an OSU alum(though he was a positional coach in the 80s) but did a damn good job while he was here. Expecting an alum to take over Is the type of [Mark May] scUM fans expect.
And those that think the Game Is the biggest in the world are those who have had no success in the NFL. Id be hard pressed to find players or coaches who have won or gotten to a Super bowl that truly believe that The Game is bigger. The Game is immensely important, but not even an NC is the super bowl. The reason Harbaugh would be taking a risk in going to scUM, is if he falters, what happens? I doubt scUM is where he wants to end his career, as he seems like hyper competitive and highly ambitious guy. He produces a few 8-9 win seasons and no Big 10 title, I don't see an NFL team calling for him to come back. That's why going to Oakland and being a GM and coach seems much more highly rated, IMO.
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If it were Mike Vrabel in this situation you think it would be smug for Buckeye fans to want him to come back here and coach? LMAO.

The Jim Tressel comparison is a poor one. Of course it's not necessary to have played football at Ohio State to be a coach here, and of course being the most qualified candidate is the most important factor. In the case of Harbaugh and M*ch*g*n, the alum also happens to be the most qualified candidate. They are not compromising to hire an alum - quite the opposite, actually. They have a shot at a coach that is otherwise overqualified to be their coach simply because he is an alum. If he takes that job, you can bet that was a leading factor.

M*ch*g*n fans haven't expected alumni to come back and coach, they've expected "M*ch*g*n Men". They haven't been hiring people who went to school and played football there, they've been hiring people who worked for Bo and Lloyd. Here are the alma maters of all of the "M*ch*g*n Men" they've had as coaches since Bump Elliott, the last actual alum they had as coach:
  • Miami (OH)
  • Ohio State
  • Missouri / Northern M*ch*g*n
  • West Virginia
  • Ball State
Your Super Bowl comparison is all well and good, but Harbaugh isn't choosing between M*ch*g*n and The Super Bowl. He's choosing between M*ch*g*n and simply being in the NFL. How many Super Bowls do you think Oakland is going to in the next 5 years? There's just a handful of truly competitive franchises. 75% of the league has turned over its head coaching position at least once since 2010. Even having gone to a Super Bowl, Harbaugh is also now part of that 75%. He's not choosing between The Game and the Super Bowl, he's choosing between becoming a journeyman NFL coach with a mediocre franchise and returning to his alma mater.
 
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cincibuck said:
just some thoughts. I can think of at least one major reason to prefer a pro job to a college job: recruiting. The travel, the intense time between vocal commits and NLOID, kissing ass to a bunch of teenagers and their parents. Both jobs force you to deal with jaded players - but I sense that in the pros the players do a good deal of the work to keep jerks in line - or management trades them to the Bengals.
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That's a perk, not a drawback. In the NFL, winning puts you at the back of the line for the best new players. In college, winning puts you at the front.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any person that played in The Game, no matter their successes in the NFL, that would not say The Game is the greater accomplishment.
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Kids were just selling their gold pants and trading them for tattos, not even money a few years back. You can't think this was the first time either. Fans make more of a big deal about rivalries. The players will be friends in a few years in the league. I doubt Can Hayward, Mike Adams and Lawrence Timmons now hold animosity towards one another.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Kids were just selling their gold pants and trading them for tattos, not even money a few years back. You can't think this was the first time either. Fans make more of a big deal about rivalries. The players will be friends in a few years in the league. I doubt Can Hayward, Mike Adams and Lawrence Timmons now hold animosity towards one another.
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Not disagreeing with you, but only a handful of players move from The Game to as much as a single day in the NFL. For those who don't move on I would imagine that The Game remains the greatest memory. And yeah, I think the whole thing is more important to the fan bases at both schools.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Kids were just selling their gold pants and trading them for tattos, not even money a few years back. You can't think this was the first time either.
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How many hundreds and hundreds of Ohio State players have Gold Pants and how many have sold or traded them? Very few actually...

pnuts34 said:
Fans make more of a big deal about rivalries.
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Archie Griffin disagrees...
 
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jlb1705 said:
If it were Mike Vrabel in this situation you think it would be smug for Buckeye fans to want him to come back here and coach? LMAO.

The Jim Tressel comparison is a poor one. Of course it's not necessary to have played football at Ohio State to be a coach here, and of course being the most qualified candidate is the most important factor. In the case of Harbaugh and M*ch*g*n, the alum also happens to be the most qualified candidate. They are not compromising to hire an alum - quite the opposite, actually. They have a shot at a coach that is otherwise overqualified to be their coach simply because he is an alum. If he takes that job, you can bet that was a leading factor.

M*ch*g*n fans haven't expected alumni to come back and coach, they've expected "M*ch*g*n Men". They haven't been hiring people who went to school and played football there, they've been hiring people who worked for Bo and Lloyd. Here are the alma maters of all of the "M*ch*g*n Men" they've had as coaches since Bump Elliott, the last actual alum they had as coach:
  • Miami (OH)
  • Ohio State
  • Missouri / Northern M*ch*g*n
  • West Virginia
  • Ball State
Your Super Bowl comparison is all well and good, but Harbaugh isn't choosing between M*ch*g*n and The Super Bowl. He's choosing between M*ch*g*n and simply being in the NFL. How many Super Bowls do you think Oakland is going to in the next 5 years? There's just a handful of truly competitive franchises. 75% of the league has turned over its head coaching position at least once since 2010. Even having gone to a Super Bowl, Harbaugh is also now part of that 75%. He's not choosing between The Game and the Super Bowl, he's choosing between becoming a journeyman NFL coach with a mediocre franchise and returning to his alma mater.
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No I would think it'd be smug for OSU fans to expect Vrabel to come back. But the difference is, I see the admin at OsU hiring the best coach available, regardless of his alma mater and standing behind that guy. ScUM has hired guys that they didn't deem "_ichigan Men" stood by them for a year or 2 then threw them under the bus. And my example was using an alum, not someone who played for either school, as that was the quote laid out initially. ScUM has went all in on a guy because he's a great coach and just as much because he's an alum, if Jim and John never went to scUM they would never even go after him, that's a fact. I don't see OSU going that all in at any coaching prospect, but going after several and narrowing down their search based on qualifications. ScUM went solely after Harbuagh and a lot of that had to do with him being an alum and bringing scUM back to past glory and having him being an alum.

And unlike in college, there is actual parity in the NFL, and it's not unrealistic to think that the right Cosch could have Oakland in the playoffs inn2-3yrs. Seattle hasn't been good forever and neither was San Fran before Harbaugh got there. So yeah he is choosing between a Super Bowl and The Game
 
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