DiamondBuck
Football is 100% physical, 100% mental.
If it happens, I'll be curious how he pitches academics to the recruits.
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Remember, faculty across the US have lost their summer pay (usually an added 22%) and research funds ($50,000 to $100,000 a year) in recent years.
At several leading state universities, faculty also have been put on unpaid furlough for 4 to 12 additional weeks for cost savings.
Several dozen leading US business school professors have left for Asia in the last five years as a result.
Now, with $3-400,000 being a really good full professor salary before all those cuts, do you want to be the guy who tells a dean he can't recruit a top prof because there are no funds available, when a football coach gets that much? This is a very risky game TSUN plays.
At several leading state universities, faculty also have been put on unpaid furlough for 4 to 12 additional weeks for cost savings.
Several dozen leading US business school professors have left for Asia in the last five years as a result.
Now, with $3-400,000 being a really good full professor salary before all those cuts, do you want to be the guy who tells a dean he can't recruit a top prof because there are no funds available, when a football coach gets that much? This is a very risky game TSUN plays.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
So just to be clear--you're saying that it's perfectly reasonable, from a W-L perspective, for the Niners to cut ties with Harbaugh after his first season of missing the playoffs, even though he made the Super Bowl and two NFC championship games in his three other years in San Francisco? Because keeping him on would make the Niners another team "where mediocrity seems to be the goal each season?" In other words, you don't think there's anything else at play here relating to Harbaugh and his personality?
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
As with most, I've been following the story here and in other outlets. To that end, here's a few random observations that I've made over the last few weeks.
He's a proven coach at the highest levels -- college and NFL -- no question.
His successes seem to carry a significant price -- financial as well as in long term peace within organizations.
The issues he seem to have, namely difficulty with those above him, appear to make him one who organizations are willing to roll the dice on, but later regret when the dice come up in their favor.
He appears to have a significant ego -- mind you, for someone to be sucessful at the highest levels of any profession, I take that ego issue as being part of the personality type that is needed to have that kind of success.
That said, while he may find success at tsun, I question how long term the solution may really be. Playing things out, I expect that he will land at tsun. I also expect that he will become frustrated with some of those things that are part of being a college coach which are only magnified in AA given the last decade at tsun. Specifically, I suspect that what is going to finally do him in is the crazy expectations that the tsun alumni and fanbase have for him and his ability to live up to those expectations. When I see words like 'savior' being thrown around -- and meant -- it sets a bar that is not realistic for anyone, regardless of their ability to coach and recruit. Will 10-2 or heaven forbid 9-3 be enough to keep that group happy? Combine those expectations with the money that they are wrapping up in him and this could become a case of buyer's remorse that has no parallel.
Finally, with the investment that they'll likely be making, if this doesn't turn into a 11-1 or 12-0 team quickly, the questions are going to start very quickly. His ability to deal with all that comes with leading a 9-3 team at $8 million a year while keeping a smile on his face and glad-handing the alum and administration may be enough to kill him.
Without doubt, this will be interesting to watch unfold over the next 36-months. I'd take the under that he and / or the AD will be willing to sign him to an extension.
My thoughts... worth the $0.02 or not.
He's a proven coach at the highest levels -- college and NFL -- no question.
His successes seem to carry a significant price -- financial as well as in long term peace within organizations.
The issues he seem to have, namely difficulty with those above him, appear to make him one who organizations are willing to roll the dice on, but later regret when the dice come up in their favor.
He appears to have a significant ego -- mind you, for someone to be sucessful at the highest levels of any profession, I take that ego issue as being part of the personality type that is needed to have that kind of success.
That said, while he may find success at tsun, I question how long term the solution may really be. Playing things out, I expect that he will land at tsun. I also expect that he will become frustrated with some of those things that are part of being a college coach which are only magnified in AA given the last decade at tsun. Specifically, I suspect that what is going to finally do him in is the crazy expectations that the tsun alumni and fanbase have for him and his ability to live up to those expectations. When I see words like 'savior' being thrown around -- and meant -- it sets a bar that is not realistic for anyone, regardless of their ability to coach and recruit. Will 10-2 or heaven forbid 9-3 be enough to keep that group happy? Combine those expectations with the money that they are wrapping up in him and this could become a case of buyer's remorse that has no parallel.
Finally, with the investment that they'll likely be making, if this doesn't turn into a 11-1 or 12-0 team quickly, the questions are going to start very quickly. His ability to deal with all that comes with leading a 9-3 team at $8 million a year while keeping a smile on his face and glad-handing the alum and administration may be enough to kill him.
Without doubt, this will be interesting to watch unfold over the next 36-months. I'd take the under that he and / or the AD will be willing to sign him to an extension.
My thoughts... worth the $0.02 or not.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Not saying that at all. Go back and reread. The mediocrity statement refers to the Bengals and Browns. And yes, personality is involved, but the 49ers have a material interest that transcends personality.So just to be clear--you're saying that it's perfectly reasonable, from a W-L perspective, for the Niners to cut ties with Harbaugh after his first season of missing the playoffs, even though he made the Super Bowl and two NFC championship games in his three other years in San Francisco? Because keeping him on would make the Niners another team "where mediocrity seems to be the goal each season?" In other words, you don't think there's anything else at play here relating to Harbaugh and his personality?
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
Perhaps you shouldn't have quoted my post then, if that's not what you were saying. It's more likely backpedaling on your part. That aside, the notion that the Bengals, Browns, etc. have a goal of mediocrity is just as ridiculous as the proposition that OSU "needs" a strong Michigan (which, of course, turned out to be total bunk).
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I'm a Niners fan, and him getting canned is 100% due to his inability to coexist with their management. Now, it's probably both sides, as the Yorks are absolute clowns, but it's not him just missing the playoffs this year. Before Harbaugh, the 49ers were bouncing between thoroughly mediocre and plum awful for the better part of a decade. They went through 3 permanent and 2 interim head coaches in 8 years. You don't just fire the HC that lead you back to relevance after one bad year unless he's a flaming asshat. I don't even know how it's disputable. It's been well documented that Harbaugh is not an easy man to work, play for, or even just be around. The chaos he creates and seems to thrive in may be a part of his success, but it's also why many people don't think he'll ever have the ability to spend more than a few years in one spot.So just to be clear--you're saying that it's perfectly reasonable, from a W-L perspective, for the Niners to cut ties with Harbaugh after his first season of missing the playoffs, even though he made the Super Bowl and two NFC championship games in his three other years in San Francisco? Because keeping him on would make the Niners another team "where mediocrity seems to be the goal each season?" In other words, you don't think there's anything else at play here relating to Harbaugh and his personality?
scUM's getting a very good coach. But, I'm not so sure he's "elite"...the kind of coach that you put in the same file as an Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, or guys like that. For as successful as he's been, and his shiny record, there are some serious chinks in his armor. He did not do a very good coaching job this year at all. I watched almost every Niner game, and he often had a deer in the headlights look. He can be too loyal to some bad assistants...see Greg Roman. And he has been outcoached in some big games in the NFL. I think he'll make scUM a consistent threat in the B1G. They'll win 10 games with regularity if he can find the right QB. That's the other thing, he's labeled as some kind of QB guru, but he messed up badly with Kaepernick. They tried to make him a pocket passer this year, and to an extent last year, behind an injury ravaged, sieve of an OL. His strength is his legs. Not his brain. And if a better passer is in him, they most certainly didn't develop it in 3 years. His only real success in college was with a generational talent in Andrew Luck. Maybe he can get that guy to come to tsun, but if not, he might not be all that they're expecting.
All in all, hard to poopoo the hire. He's the guy they needed and they got him. But I'm not ready to crown him as the 2nd coming, as I've followed him closely for 4 years, and there are some flaws. Urban-Harbaugh should at least make the rivalry interesting again, if that's your thing. Personally, I enjoy watching them wallow in mediocrity and checking that last game off as a "W" every August. Might not have that anymore, but time will tell.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I quoted your post because despite your protests, we agree. As a 49ers fan I'm stumped why a GM or owner wouldn't find a way to keep their prima donna happy. And if Ol piss doesn't beat Miss State the Buckeyes are playing in the 2nd level bowl game because Michigan sucks.
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Let the bidding begin ...
San Francisco 49ers @49ers 14m14 minutes ago
The #49ers and Jim Harbaugh have mutually agreed to part ways. READ: http://49rs.co/pxdWd3
San Francisco 49ers @49ers 14m14 minutes ago
The #49ers and Jim Harbaugh have mutually agreed to part ways. READ: http://49rs.co/pxdWd3
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Leave it to a Michigan Man to assume the UM job is more attractive, to a current NFL coach, than any other NFL job. Especially when the UM job has been a train wreck for a decade running now. Especially when that same coach could've had the UM job back in 2011 had he wanted it.
It's not just any other job, it's his alma mater. I certainly hope an Ohio State alum in a similar position would value coaching the Buckeyes over an NFL job.
The talking out of both sides I've seen over the past weeks has been amusing. The Game is supposedly the biggest deal on the planet to anyone who has ever been involved, but the chance to lead the Oakland Fucking Raiders is somehow more attractive all of a sudden? People bitch that nobody else in the B1G is spending their BTN dividends on football, but when M*ch*g*n finally starts acting like a big boy program and wants to pay somebody who has had success above the mid-major level it's suddenly a big risk?
The 'M' on his hat will be reason enough to fucking hate him. As an opposing fanbase, there's no need for the sort of rhetorical gymnastics I've seen to talk shit about M*ch*g*n.
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