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Hate to say it, but I have to agree 100% with you Jax. Arizona is a good place for RR and San Diego St. was a good place for the Hokey Pokey.
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lvbuckeye
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RR started his tenure with 56 scholarship athletes, and the AD wouldn't pony up the money for Casteel. Then llllllloyd and his crew undermined him at every turn. It wasn't going to work because scUM wouldn't let it work. RR didn't fuck up his time at scUM, and his trajectory illustrates that. scUM fucked up his time at scUM.
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lvbuckeye
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FFS, THE OHIO STATE runs a power-run spread offense. It's not a gimmick.
If you're taking about his defense, it kind of helps when you are actually allowed to hire your own DC. RR at WVU had Casteel. RR at Zona has Casteel. RR at scUM had no Casteel. Notice the difference?
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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You had me until the upgrade part. Yes, Rich Rod was not going to work out. No, hoke was not an upgrade, let alone a HUGE upgrade.
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terrific. Who were the power backs and big physical linemen that RR recruited to support such a comparison?
He hired Scott Shafer, Who after being handcuffed by toxic factions at Michigan, left and went on to coaching success at a lesser program (Syracuse). Thing is those toxins came from RR's camp, not Carr's.
at Michigan, RichRod's boyz held a secret meeting to take over the defense behind Shafer's back. The result was a 38 pt humiliation at home vs Purdue at the hands of a converted running back.
He also hired Gerg, who was a disaster and literally tickled his own players with a stuffed animal when they left the field.
None of which addresses the fact that rich rod had horrific defenses at Michigan and very spotty ones at Arizona. Wvu was a bit better but the competition was also more conducive to good statistics.
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You know what is a great way to have no players? Helping Mallett, Arrington, Boren and many others pack their bags so you can have your guys, your scheme and your future. Of course when that gamble relies on landing heavy osu lean terrelle Pryor, you end up with nick freaking sheridan as your best qb, with forcier, Robinson as your saviors after Newsome and Beaver decommit. No chance that urban is that stupid. The guy kept an entire class of 3 star reaches to help the adjustment period.
Did that trajectory include the 45 pts surrendered by Casteel last week? Or the 30+ surrendered in 5 games last year, one nearly breaking 50?
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lvbuckeye
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Sure. His trajectory also includes his stay at WVU, and includes winning a couple BCS bowls at the same time that Ohio State was shitting the bed in them.
He might have made some mistakes, but it's kind of hard not to when you're getting undermined from day one.
Let's be honest with ourselves, Shoelace tore us up with an incompetent boob running the show. Imagine how he'd have turned out with RR calling the shots.
It's not the coaches. We can all see that. RR was successful before TSUN, and he's successful now. Hoke had limited success before, and he looks like the worst coach ever now. It's not the coaches. It's Schembechler Hall and all that Michigan Man nonsense. Do those idiots not realize that the founder of that bullshit was an outsider?
You mention all the transfers, but Lllllloyd Carr was signing those releases! How can anyone succeed at a new job when the person they're replacing is actively working against them? You can't! Yet RR's record improved each year.
Have we all forgotten John F Cooper? He was awful those first four years. Did we run him out on a rail? Nope! And we were rewarded with a six year run of extreme success.
If RR hadn't gotten run, half the 'B1G sucks' talk wouldn't be there, because RR would have them rolling.
He might have made some mistakes, but it's kind of hard not to when you're getting undermined from day one.
Let's be honest with ourselves, Shoelace tore us up with an incompetent boob running the show. Imagine how he'd have turned out with RR calling the shots.
It's not the coaches. We can all see that. RR was successful before TSUN, and he's successful now. Hoke had limited success before, and he looks like the worst coach ever now. It's not the coaches. It's Schembechler Hall and all that Michigan Man nonsense. Do those idiots not realize that the founder of that bullshit was an outsider?
You mention all the transfers, but Lllllloyd Carr was signing those releases! How can anyone succeed at a new job when the person they're replacing is actively working against them? You can't! Yet RR's record improved each year.
Have we all forgotten John F Cooper? He was awful those first four years. Did we run him out on a rail? Nope! And we were rewarded with a six year run of extreme success.
If RR hadn't gotten run, half the 'B1G sucks' talk wouldn't be there, because RR would have them rolling.
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more histrionics. Good thing for him that he failed enough to only play in the lousy bcs bowls, even in a year when no one wanted to make the title game.
rather than address those mistakes, they've been taken out of the conversation in half a sentence. Clearly this is going to be a very productive "debate"
you mean the qb who could not read the option at all and had to be told what to do before every snap under RR?
The electric runner who was a terrible scrambler? Who was only dominant as a runner with the qb power/sweep looks with 3 pulling blockers?
He was an electric athlete. Many of those types cannot manage the pocket or the passing game but usually they can take off and scramble or run the option. Denard was poor at both.
it improved every year because he was unbelievably bad, thanks to starting over without those NFL players. Enough of the victim routine. He never tried to keep mallett or Arrington, the latter was particularly absurd.
When would rich rods defense start happening? When ray vinopal, Richard ash, the talbotts and dozens of other lower tier big East recruits come into their own?
Or when the poor victim is finally given more money for an assistant after 3 terrible seasons?
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That was a different age then. With the implementation of the internet and social media, coaches everywhere have MUCH shorter leashes than they did 20-25 years ago. If he was coaching tOSU, today, I can just about guarantee you he'd have been run out on a rail after year four when his record stood at 27-18-2, 0-4 vs. scUM (including a blow out in year 4) and 0-3 in bowl games. Hell, he may not have survived the Air Force debacle in year three...
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Have you seen our fan base? He wouldn't have survived calling the Horseshoe "Buckeye Stadium" and his hot tub commercials.
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lvbuckeye
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His stay there was a train wreck. Everyone saw it, and Buckeyes everywhere rejoiced. But he wasn't 100% culpable for the twin wreck. He had help. You can look at 2011. He said on his farewell speech that they were going to be exponentially better in '11...
I don't think he's the greatest by any means, but he's not complete dogshit either. What he did at WVU and what he's doing at Arizona aren't accidents. He can coach circles around that tubby bastard they have up there now.
scUM is toxic. Pure and simple. Until the folks in the ivory towers get out of the way, I don't think anyone can succeed there.
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