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2014 tOSU Defense Discussion

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BuckeyeFan 52 said:
... I believe the SEC, as a whole, is coming back to reality as college football is cyclical. It is a strong conference, but unfortunately for some that play in it, still feel it's better than it is right now.
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The S-E-C is clearly less good than "S-E-C fan" thinks it is.

It also is a lot better than fans of B1G teams are thinking it is in the wake of this bowl season. It remains the best league in college football, though its margin over the Pac 12, B1G and Big XII-II is not huge.
 
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MaxBuck said:
The S-E-C is clearly less good than "S-E-C fan" thinks it is.

It also is a lot better than fans of B1G teams are thinking it is in the wake of this bowl season. It remains the best league in college football, though its margin over the Pac 12, B1G and Big XII-II is not huge.
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The bolded is and has been my argument all along, though this season has been a little different (less of a gap in all areas this year). The depth is certainly better in the SEC but the top-end teams this year were vastly overrated for the most part. In years past, there was some gap there but it is not like they blew everyone out in the title every year either. For me, it has always been a depth argument...the top-tier bowl games between the SEC and the rest of the conferences have been pretty competitive overall.
 
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MaxBuck said:
It also is a lot better than fans of B1G teams are thinking it is in the wake of this bowl season. It remains the best league in college football, though its margin over the Pac 12, B1G and Big XII-II is not huge.
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Wrong. When your top five teams in the supposed best division in all of college football all lose their bowl games, you are no longer the best conference. All through the "SEC dynasty", the cream of the SEC crop carried the banner of conference superiority, but instead this year they lost. The B1G was 4-3 while the SEC was 7-5 in bowls, but the B1G's top three (OSU, MSU, Wiscy) all won, and the B1G was 2-2 against the SEC with both B1G CCG teams beating their SEC opponents.
 
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The B1G is also a tale of 2 Divisions.
East: 4-1
West: 1-4

I can't see that changing anytime soon. The East is loaded with only 1 hopeless doormat (Indiana). The West is very weak at the top, a lot in the middle, and a lot on the bottom: Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern
A lot of money markets on the East side, a lot of good recruiting on the East side (Ohio, Jersey, PA, Michigan, DC Beltway, NY) ... very little on the West side.
Goodbye B1G West, have fun over there with Ferentz etc.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wrong. When your top five teams in the supposed best division in all of college football all lose their bowl games, you are no longer the best conference. All through the "SEC dynasty", the cream of the SEC crop carried the banner of conference superiority, but instead this year they lost. The B1G was 4-3 while the SEC was 7-5 in bowls, but the B1G's top three (OSU, MSU, Wiscy) all won, and the B1G was 2-2 against the SEC with both B1G CCG teams beating their SEC opponents.
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The B1G was actually 5-5 in bowls this season.
 
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I would say as of today, the Pac12 has the strongest argument for best conference, especially if Oregon wins. If OSU wins it's pretty wide open. However in the near future with UM and PSU coming back, and MSU and OSU staying strong, with Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Minnesota staying respectable, that's a pretty good, balanced conference right there.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wrong. When your top five teams in the supposed best division in all of college football all lose their bowl games, you are no longer the best conference. All through the "SEC dynasty", the cream of the SEC crop carried the banner of conference superiority, but instead this year they lost. The B1G was 4-3 while the SEC was 7-5 in bowls, but the B1G's top three (OSU, MSU, Wiscy) all won, and the B1G was 2-2 against the SEC with both B1G CCG teams beating their SEC opponents.
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Not arguing you either way but it just depends on how "conference strength" is measured. Is it depth, top tier teams, or a combination of both? This year, the top end of the SEC was not impressive overall but the depth was there...the middle of their conference beats the middle of most conferences. However, in years past they obviously had a ton of top-tier wins and mixed results lower. As an Ohio State fan, I want to say I only care about the top-tier of a conference. Then again, if you have a deeper conference your odds of being upset are significantly higher on a week-to-week basis.

I think the future is looking up now for the B1G but the last 10 years we have been trying to play catchup. Until we consistently beat/split games with the SEC, the perception will be reality...we have to continue to improve as a conference so this year's result is not simply a blip on the radar.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Not arguing you either way but it just depends on how "conference strength" is measured. Is it depth, top tier teams, or a combination of both? This year, the top end of the SEC was not impressive overall but the depth was there...the middle of their conference beats the middle of most conferences. However, in years past they obviously had a ton of top-tier wins and mixed results lower. As an Ohio State fan, I want to say I only care about the top-tier of a conference. Then again, if you have a deeper conference your odds of being upset are significantly higher on a week-to-week basis.

I think the future is looking up now for the B1G but the last 10 years we have been trying to play catchup. Until we consistently beat/split games with the SEC, the perception will be reality...we have to continue to improve as a conference so this year's result is not simply a blip on the radar.
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That's how I would've responded had I been sober.
 
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pnuts34 said:
No prob. And I too have the utmost respect for Cooper, especially since he was one of the few Alabama players to take interviews after the game in a tough defeat. He should be a good NFL player as he's only progressed while in college, very hard worker. I guess after hearing since 2006 how slow, average, not clutch, lower tier, not in the same class, etc insults from the SEC it's hard not stay being mad and elated About this win over Alabama. We flat out, outplayed Alabama, And out muscled and looked faster then them, everything they have been saying we couldn't do for close to a decade. And we did it against the best team the SEC has to offer, we didn't beat Auburn, LSU, UGA, Ole Miss or any other team, so the SEC can't say "yeah you won a bowl game but you can't beat our best, Alabama", we beat those fucks. And we beat them good, this win validates so much of our season, since most of the nation didn't think we deserved to be here, and wrote us off after the VA Tech lose, and more wrote us off after the Mich St win! We were suspect for almost beating Minnesota and IU, and now were in the NC. I want us to continue tokick the [Mark May] out of SEC teams continually, but this first win is something special
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Agreed. That win validated the season, the team and the conference. It was really needed. If we beat Oregon that's just icing on the cake, but win or lose no one can take away beating the best of the sec in every aspect of the game. They didn't even play a bad game, we were just better.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Although Oregon has scored 42+ points in nine straight games, including 51+ in four of those, they were held to 24 points--at home--by an Arizona defense that was ranked 103rd in the country, giving up 451 ypg. As @osugrad21 would say, time for the defense to rain hell...
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IIRC, didn't Washibgton St. also get 7 sacks on Marriotta this year? I don't know if Oregon had injuries along the line, and I know that we gave up 7 against Va Tech, but it shows Marriotta can be pressured.
 
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scarletngray said:
IIRC, didn't Washibgton St. also get 7 sacks on Marriotta this year? I don't know if Oregon had injuries along the line, and I know that we gave up 7 against Va Tech, but it shows Marriotta can be pressured.
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Oregon's center was hurt during the Wazzu game and it screwed up their protections a lot. I think he was out against Arizona too, and that was another game Mariota took a beating in.

Ohio State's defense needs to tackle well, keep contain and get pressure in Mariota's face. They don't necessarily have to sack him a bunch of times, but they need to be sound on the fundamental side.
 
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Mike80 said:
Oregon's center was hurt during the Wazzu game and it screwed up their protections a lot. I think he was out against Arizona too, and that was another game Mariota took a beating in.

Ohio State's defense needs to tackle well, keep contain and get pressure in Mariota's face. They don't necessarily have to sack him a bunch of times, but they need to be sound on the fundamental side.
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Ohio State's D just has to keep everything in front.

As long as there are no 50+ yd plays in the passing game I think everything else falls into place nicely.
 
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