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2014 Offense Discussion

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Bleed S & G said:
I have thought of that - I can't wait until we pull back on the speed option and hit Michael Thomas deep on a double-move too. I will be the first one to say I'm wrong Leroy if that's the case! I hope you are right. Throw the kitchen sink at Dantonio/Narduzzi and have wrinkles for everyone else to worry about/play our options honest.
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That would be great. Need to do something against those guys.
 
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Bleed S & G said:
@matcar
My concerns, to further the thread, for this offense is solely centered around in-game adjustments and the goal line offense. I would prefer, moving someone like Hubbard (who Urban promises the public will get on the field) to FB, and giving EZE a lead blocker. Hell, throw Rod Smith or Dunn back there even, I am sure they would love to see the field. A few years ago, we would motion the TE into the backfield and have him lead the way - where has that gone?

The zone read, on the 5, with Barrett and EZE, will not win the game in East Lansing this November if it comes down to it. Yes, my mind is made up on that. Just like it was that Troy Smith is better than Zwick and that WVU's 3-3-5 defense won't work in the B1G.
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Right there with you on this. If we can't pound the ball in the end zone against MD, I don't see how we will against MSU. I would love to see JT move under center in these situations and get some beef in that backfield as you have suggested. Anyone of Rod, Ball, Dunn, one of the TEs. I would even do it in the next couple of weeks just to show it and then against MSU flair a TE into the end zone off of the line for a nice little TD pass.
 
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The staff has acknowledged that they need to work on Red Zone offense.
Every year since Urban has been here the offense has been different.
2012 it was mostly Brax making plays with his feet.
2013 saw Hyde pick up a lot of the running load and we were still mostly a power running team. WRers were a "problem" at the end of the year. Along with a horrible pass defense.
2014 we see what Urban really wants on offense. A spread with many weapons and speed! And the defense is getting better every game.
The "window of opportunity" to beat this team gets smaller and smaller with every week. That's a lot on Herman and Urban on offense.
And Ash and Luke on defense.
A very young and talented team is coming of age before our eyes! I find that very exciting! And any criticisms are very minor. And seem foolish.
 
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Bleed S & G said:
How sad everyone will be when we go against a coaching staff that has a pulse. If we get down inside the 15/10 against MSU, with the game on the line, I do not have any confidence in Tom Herman's play calling.

The goaline zone read offense will cost us a game. Mark it down.
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I still do not trust:

The line to relocate or stymie a competent DL. They've gelled against terrible defenses.

The wideouts to make tough catches in traffic

Barrett to escape when the play breaks down or everything is covered . I love his progress and he's way ahead of the curve but for now he lacks the quickness and presence to consistently elude a sack and make a big play. That is what makes braxton so special. The defense would scheme and execute perfectly, sometimes with 2-3 guys clogging all lanes/options and he would still break it for a big play. That electricity covered up a lot of flaws in his lack of efficiency.

I have some things I dislike about Herman's play calling but those are way down the list of concerns against Michigan state.

Herman ran hog wild on a great spartan defense and did so with a qb and wrs who executed terribly in the passing game.
 
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I honestly think that some of that was done on purpose. We stayed extremely vanilla and told the boys up front "it's all on you to punch this in" and tried to see if they were there yet. Obviously they still have a ways to go but we haven't really tipped our hand yet either. With two really good TE's we have an option in the red zone a lot of teams don't have in the passing game out of our 12 personnel and I think MSU is going to see it come full circle. We don't need it right now and I think they aren't going to play their hand just yet. I'm quite sure the coaches are full aware what is at stake in that game and how much more talent we have than everyone else. If you can beat teams being vanilla, it just makes you more powerful when you open it all up.

Now Herman can make me a fool by not doing anything going forward but something tells me coach Meyer is one who learns from his mistakes like the CCG last fall.
 
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When we get to Sparty I hope that our defense is good enough to allow our offense to score one more point than Sparty.
I don't think we're far off that at all right now! Give our defense another month of coaching up.
 
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Bleed S & G said:
@matcar What has Herman showed you, in a big game, that gives you confidence he will put the offense in a position to succeed when it's needed most? Would that be running Braxton, instead of Hyde, twice when you *need* two-yards last December in Indy? His halftime adjustments against VT this fall?

I want to buy in. I do. I'm a Buckeye, man. Herman is a great recruiter, no doubt, and I don't think he is a terrible O-coordinator, but I don't think he is all that great in the clutch, either. Nor is he God's gift to the Mensa club.

My concerns, to further the thread, for this offense is solely centered around in-game adjustments and the goal line offense. I would prefer, moving someone like Hubbard (who Urban promises the public will get on the field) to FB, and giving EZE a lead blocker. Hell, throw Rod Smith or Dunn back there even, I am sure they would love to see the field. A few years ago, we would motion the TE into the backfield and have him lead the way - where has that gone?

The zone read, on the 5, with Barrett and EZE, will not win the game in East Lansing this November if it comes down to it. Yes, my mind is made up on that. Just like it was that Troy Smith is better than Zwick and that WVU's 3-3-5 defense won't work in the B1G.
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The problem with this whole argument is that neither you nor I know anything about any adjustments being made. What we can clearly see is that the offense, in balance, is far more productive than anything we've seen in years.

Did we have a breakdown of some sort against MSU last year, I'd say so, but neither of us know what went into the decision to go with Brax running instead of Hyde. We don't know the level of input that Meyer has, nor anything else that went into those decisions. What we do know is that the oline against VT was porous. Could the Playcalling have been better? Perhaps, but that was not the reason for the failure there, it was line play.

We have lost three games under the current coaching staff, and we scored plenty against Clemson and had a whole host of personnel issues against VT. That leaves one game where the offense might be somewhat culpable. But again, we don't even know how the decisions were being made. Beyond that, most of what we can evaluate shows an offense that is putting up historically high numbers.

The guy isn't perfect, but he also isn't the problem.
 
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Taosman said:
When we get to Sparty I hope that our defense is good enough to allow our offense to score one more point than Sparty.
I don't think we're far off that at all right now! Give our defense another month of coaching up.
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Yup this is the 3rd or 4th year under Dantonio where their defense is lauded but it is the offense that has been coached up nicely.
 
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Taosman said:
Amazing what blowing people out does for the opinion of Tom Herman!
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I don't know about anyone else, but jury is out for me til the next big game.
My opinion hasn't changed since VTech -- good coach, good recruiter, still prone to out-think himself and follow predictable patterns when the going gets rough.
I like him and hope he stays (ie: not on the "Fire Herman!" bandwagon), but there are definitely aspects he could improve on to be elite.
 
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kujirakira said:
I don't know about anyone else, but jury is out for me til the next big game.
My opinion hasn't changed since VTech -- good coach, good recruiter, still prone to out-think himself and follow predictable patterns when the going gets rough.
I like him and hope he stays (ie: not on the "Fire Herman!" bandwagon), but there are definitely aspects he could improve on to be elite.
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Sounds completely reasonable to me. Elite wins beget elite labels. This applies to the entire staff IMO.
 
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I think that we will see something completely new for MSU. It will be a tough game because they are a good team, but so is Ohio State. If JT can perform at the current level against top teams, then what changes about the expectation for a NC run?

I'm not saying there should be one, but rather illustrating the objective reality.
 
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