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2014 Offense Discussion

By far the biggest positive IMO was the crowd at PSU. Will MSU be rowdy? Yes. Will it be as crazy loud as PSU? Hell no. They just don't have the bodies to manufacture that kind of noise. I think PSU has like 30k more people. Think about that. They have 40% more people in their stadium. Even if their fans are as crazy loud as PSU's fans, it's just not possible for MSU to create as loud of an atmosphere.

It would only be possible if the game were being played in Eugene.
 
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By far the biggest positive IMO was the crowd at PSU. Will MSU be rowdy? Yes. Will it be as crazy loud as PSU? Hell no. They just don't have the bodies to manufacture that kind of noise. I think PSU has like 30k more people. Think about that. They have 40% more people in their stadium. Even if their fans are as crazy loud as PSU's fans, it's just not possible for MSU to create as loud of an atmosphere.

Then tell me how they routinely create one of the best and loudest atmosphere's in college football at Autzen Stadium in Oregon (capacity of 55,000) with crowds around 60,000 every Saturday? I fully expect East Lansing to be pretty rowdy this Saturday.
 
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It would only be possible if the game were being played in Eugene.

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Then tell me how they routinely create one of the best and loudest atmosphere's in college football at Autzen Stadium in Oregon (capacity of 55,000) with crowds around 60,000 every Saturday? I fully expect East Lansing to be pretty rowdy this Saturday.

So you pick one of the most notoriously loud stadiums that also has a small crowd and apply it to MSU because they also have a small stadium size. Because if you look at any rankings of loudest stadiums that has Oregon at the top it also has MSU? Guess what? I'm 6'4". Those fuckin pricks in the NBA say it ain't good enough though. Bastards.
 
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Nah, I don't think the MSU fans would travel that well to Eugene. Actually we'd outnumber them, and I doubt if the game would be a sellout. :gagnam:
(Yes, I know you were referring to the layout of the stadium).
Actually, I have little doubt that an Ohio State-MSU game would sell out at Autzen Stadium, at least this year.

I'd love to play a bowl game at a place like Autzen, especially against a team like Auburn that never ventures more than 200 miles outside its state boundaries for a bowl game.
 
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By far the biggest positive IMO was the crowd at PSU. Will MSU be rowdy? Yes. Will it be as crazy loud as PSU? Hell no. They just don't have the bodies to manufacture that kind of noise. I think PSU has like 30k more people. Think about that. They have 40% more people in their stadium. Even if their fans are as crazy loud as PSU's fans, it's just not possible for MSU to create as loud of an atmosphere.

I agree it wont be as loud as psu, but does it need to be in order to create communication issues?
I'd also be shocked if they dont pump noise in. It's one of those 'everyone does it' kind of things.
The positive to me is that Sparty fans will be easier to take out of the game imo if we can get a lead.
 
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I agree it wont be as loud as psu, but does it need to be in order to create communication issues?
I'd also be shocked if they dont pump noise in. It's one of those 'everyone does it' kind of things.
The positive to me is that Sparty fans will be easier to take out of the game imo if we can get a lead.
No, and maybe I wasn't clear in my point. I just meant that it won't be as bad as PSU, and now that our young team has gone through that it will only make the atmosphere easier to handle.
 
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Just curious from those in the know. I didn't remember Urban's teams in the past being a heavy run based attack up the interior. Am I wrong there? I know Tebow would move the chains with his legs but it also seemed like the FLA teams under Urban were better at exploiting mismatches and beating you with speed on the perimeter. I also think of the Oregon offenses the last few years and how many big plays they would have. The Buckeyes seem far different to me in that regard. Don't get me wrong, with a bruiser like Carlos running behind that great line last year it made sense. I know this year is a transition year but still....

I'm just waiting to see our playmakers truly have room to work in space and, despite the prolific numbers we have put up the last few years it seems like we rise and fall almost exclusively with the success of the O Line and running it up the middle. I do realize that is just part of the nature of football, have a bad O Line and you struggle. I just have a hard time believing we have a BAD O line. I'd call this years squad average at worst. Yet we seem to really struggle if we can't establish a successful ground game. I know other offenses open it up with different schemes to mask a weaker O Line/running game and still have success. Lots of teams spread the field by throwing the ball around a lot and forcing you to play that style. Then when you are spread out they hit you with a good rushing attack.

I also realize we haven't had a great WR core the last few years and this year we have a freshman QB and that will certainly factor in. I am just waiting to see our new found speed on display via quick slants, screen passes, sweeps, etc. We have seen it, but not like I would expect given the talent. Again, I know the gaudy offensive numbers tell a different story but that is also largely based on playing pretty inferior opponents during Urbs' tenure. Why have we struggled to get our speed guys into a track meet and neutralize an aggressive D with our schemes and talent? I loved Dontre running the option for this reason. Personally I would love to throw Sparty for a little bit of a loop by utilizing Dontre more in the running game/sweep plays and also throw the ball to Curtis coming out of the back field.

Or is it just Herman being afraid to go full throttle? (rant over)
 
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My recollection was that Urban modified the offensive approach to suit what he had and didn't have. We rode Carlos and Braxton because they were our best assets but he was also repeatedly quoted as saying his offense was predicated on the inside run. He said that they didn't really have that at UF so they relied on speed at the edges. I think here, maybe as soon as next year, he'll have both and the qb to run the system and it will be as the prophesy states: And, lo, another native son of the heart of it all shall return and lead them again unto the promised land.
 
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I think a major thing missing in our offense lately is mis-direction. The speed element is there but we are running it right at people like some people have said. Pursuing defenses like MSU can get caught with misdirection and counter plays if we stay disciplined. The speed we can put on the field is something that I don't think another team in the country can match except for maybe Auburn. I'd love to see Herman go ballistic with the playcalling this week and really emphasize that advantage.
 
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I was thinking the same thing with misdirection and I think it has to be coming...the little jet shovel to Dontre and reverse to Jalin/Samuel (or vice versa). We have not shown it yet but I guarantee you it is in the playbook. Same applies to Jalin throwing the ball from the wildcat and potential misdirection with Dontre/Samuel/EzE in the backfield with him.
 
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