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2014 Offense Discussion

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Hstead said:
Maybe, but will we have the speed to compete with the SEC?


I have a feeling we will hear that at least another 1,315,664,748,235,043 times from "analysts" between now and the next Championship Game.
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If the Buckeyes have the success they are slated to have on paper this season, I think Fowler will prove the ESPN haters wrong as they slobber all over the Buckeye knobs on their way to back to back championships. The only thing equally as beneficial for ESPN than the SEC being king is Ohio State and USC back on the map. I think we're seeing that shift again. This offense WILL be the best in the country and we don't even know what it's going to look like in full detail. That'll be a delight to sell on the 24hr cycle.
 
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Barring some disaster, I absolutely think we will be the #1 offense in the country. Another year of experience for these guys and the talent/depth will be staggering. Just looking down the entire depth chart, I see something like this:

QB: Barrett/Jones (Miller?..pending a healthy shoulder)
RB: Elliott, Samuel, Weber(?)/Ball
WR: Thomas, Dixon, Clark
WR: C. Smith, McLaurin
Pivot: Marshall, Wilson, Campbell
TE: Vannett, Baugh
H: Braxton (?), Brown
LT: Decker, J. Jones
LG: Price, Knox
C: Boren, Elflein,
RG: Elflein, Farris, Trout(?)
RT: Lisle/J. Jones/Farris

- Ton of depth and a myriad of weapons. Crazy thing is that considering the depth, Weber is the only incoming freshman I could see getting any serious PT next year...potentially Hill at WR if he commits and perhaps EGW if he is on offense, but I highly doubt it there with the depth at the position. Really there is no weak spot that I see, even going two deep. The only area I am a tad concerned about is possibly missing the blocking from Heureman and Spencer...Jeff was critical in setting the edge and Spencer sprang so many big runs on second level blocks. However, I think Vannett is an equally adept blocker and that C. Smith and Thomas proved to be good blockers, plus Dixon has the size and mentality to also be good there.
 
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#1 is a relative term. Inevitably there will be a team that puts up more yards and another that scores more points per game. That being said, I'd say we will definitely be the most balanced and dangerous offense regardless of opponent. If not the #1 offense in terms of rank, DEFINITELY #1 in terms of striking fear in the opponent and keeping DCs up at night.
 
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lightyears2012 said:
#1 is a relative term. Inevitably there will be a team that puts up more yards and another that scores more points per game. That being said, I'd say we will definitely be the most balanced and dangerous offense regardless of opponent. If not the #1 offense in terms of rank, DEFINITELY #1 in terms of striking fear in the opponent and keeping DCs up at night.
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I'm envisioning being ranked in the top 5 of every statistical category that matters:

PPG
Total Yards
YPP
etc..
 
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RB07OSU said:
Barring some disaster, I absolutely think we will be the #1 offense in the country. Another year of experience for these guys and the talent/depth will be staggering. Just looking down the entire depth chart, I see something like this:

QB: Barrett/Jones (Miller?..pending a healthy shoulder)
RB: Elliott, Samuel, Weber(?)/Ball
WR: Thomas, Dixon, Clark
WR: C. Smith, McLaurin
Pivot: Marshall, Wilson, Campbell
TE: Vannett, Baugh
H: Braxton (?), Brown
LT: Decker, J. Jones
LG: Price, Knox
C: Boren, Elflein,
RG: Elflein, Farris, Trout(?)
RT: Lisle/J. Jones/Farris

- Ton of depth and a myriad of weapons. Crazy thing is that considering the depth, Weber is the only incoming freshman I could see getting any serious PT next year...potentially Hill at WR if he commits and perhaps EGW if he is on offense, but I highly doubt it there with the depth at the position. Really there is no weak spot that I see, even going two deep. The only area I am a tad concerned about is possibly missing the blocking from Heureman and Spencer...Jeff was critical in setting the edge and Spencer sprang so many big runs on second level blocks. However, I think Vannett is an equally adept blocker and that C. Smith and Thomas proved to be good blockers, plus Dixon has the size and mentality to also be good there.
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2 questions: did Ball play at all last season?
And isn't the H the same as the pivot, so would the H be in the film room with WRs or TEs?
 
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RB07OSU said:
Barring some disaster, I absolutely think we will be the #1 offense in the country. Another year of experience for these guys and the talent/depth will be staggering. Just looking down the entire depth chart, I see something like this:

QB: Barrett/Jones (Miller?..pending a healthy shoulder)
RB: Elliott, Samuel, Weber(?)/Ball
WR: Thomas, Dixon, Clark
WR: C. Smith, McLaurin
Pivot: Marshall, Wilson, Campbell
TE: Vannett, Baugh
H: Braxton (?), Brown
LT: Decker, J. Jones
LG: Price, Knox
C: Boren, Elflein,
RG: Elflein, Farris, Trout(?)
RT: Lisle/J. Jones/Farris

- Ton of depth and a myriad of weapons. Crazy thing is that considering the depth, Weber is the only incoming freshman I could see getting any serious PT next year...potentially Hill at WR if he commits and perhaps EGW if he is on offense, but I highly doubt it there with the depth at the position. Really there is no weak spot that I see, even going two deep. The only area I am a tad concerned about is possibly missing the blocking from Heureman and Spencer...Jeff was critical in setting the edge and Spencer sprang so many big runs on second level blocks. However, I think Vannett is an equally adept blocker and that C. Smith and Thomas proved to be good blockers, plus Dixon has the size and mentality to also be good there.
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If we do in fact land Weber, I wonder if Samuel will still stick at RB or not. Or maybe split duties between RB and HB (or as you split it out Pivot). I know the original plan was to be an HB, but the depth at RB wasn't there (I know we had Smith, Dunn, and Ball but Urban didn't feel comfortable there). The only problem is that I'm still not sure if they have enough depth there if Dunn and Ball aren't performing well enough for Urban still. We got lucky that Elliott and Samuel were able to hold it down all season, but you can't plan on no injuries especially at the RB position. You want 3 guys, and having Elliott, Samuel, and Weber would be perfect. So he'll probably stick there for that reason unless Ball/Dunn show out in the spring.

I also like Corey Smith to start opposite Thomas as well. For Braxton, I don't see him starting at H if he's not healthy enough to play QB. He'd probably be more of a pivot. That whole situation will be interesting to follow. Lastly, from early reports I think Lisle is 3rd string. He has been injured, and maybe he can make a strong comeback, but I've seen Farris with the early lead to start and Jones with the best shot of taking over if he can develop over the offseason.
 
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Saw31 said:
Samuel is gonna be a serious bamf in my imo. Just needs a couple more lbs on him.
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If he's anywhere around 205-210 he should be fine, IMO. He's not a primary RB to me, but a dangerous change of pace. EzE will pound you with the QB and when the defense is tired, we have Samuel with wheels to run right past those tired legs
 
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pnuts34 said:
If he's anywhere around 205-210 he should be fine, IMO. He's not a primary RB to me, but a dangerous change of pace. EzE will pound you with the QB and when the defense is tired, we have Samuel with wheels to run right past those tired legs
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Agree. I'd like to see him 215-220. He may not hold that, but the dude already has power and some serious burst. Whatever weight he can hold and not lose that burst (see B1G Champ Game OMG!)...
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
If we do in fact land Weber, I wonder if Samuel will still stick at RB or not. Or maybe split duties between RB and HB (or as you split it out Pivot). I know the original plan was to be an HB, but the depth at RB wasn't there (I know we had Smith, Dunn, and Ball but Urban didn't feel comfortable there). The only problem is that I'm still not sure if they have enough depth there if Dunn and Ball aren't performing well enough for Urban still. We got lucky that Elliott and Samuel were able to hold it down all season, but you can't plan on no injuries especially at the RB position. You want 3 guys, and having Elliott, Samuel, and Weber would be perfect. So he'll probably stick there for that reason unless Ball/Dunn show out in the spring.

I also like Corey Smith to start opposite Thomas as well. For Braxton, I don't see him starting at H if he's not healthy enough to play QB. He'd probably be more of a pivot. That whole situation will be interesting to follow. Lastly, from early reports I think Lisle is 3rd string. He has been injured, and maybe he can make a strong comeback, but I've seen Farris with the early lead to start and Jones with the best shot of taking over if he can develop over the offseason.
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I think Samuel is most definitely a HB. He runs hard, is as fast of a player as we have, and is only going to get stronger. We need more than just Zeke next year and with Samuel he will provide a excellent back up.

As for Braxton, I see him as a pivot as well. If he's healthy enough to be on the field I envision at least 10-15 plays of offense for Braxton because while you have to love Marshall/Dontre they don't have the speed, moves, or even strength that Braxton has. You have to remember Braxton will be a legit 210-215 pound runner with more speed than either of our pivots and that my friends is a frightening possibility when you are staring down the gun at 15, 2, and 17 already.

-With all of this talk already about how Epic we are going to be we all have to realize just how hard it is to repeat. I think we will no doubt be one of the most talented teams in the nation next year, with excellent balance of great offense and great defense, and the amount of playmakers make this next years team remarkably tough to stop. In saying that though do not be surprised if we barely come away with a win in week 1 and find some trouble once again later in the schedule.

All of us have to remember while we are wanting payback against Va Tech there are teams like MSU who will be hungry as ever who will want to pay us back, and of course scum will want to make a statement with their new coach as well. I think we personally run the table in the regular season as our toughest games are at home (PSU/MSU) and normally I would say Va tech in Lane stadium scares me but we will want that one. Not to mention we will game plan in the spring for that first game and we will have payback in mind.

This is not fit for this discussion but I see #1 OSU, #2 TCU, #3 Alabama, and #4 Oregon. Very similar to this past years playoffs.
 
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pnuts34 said:
2 questions: did Ball play at all last season?
And isn't the H the same as the pivot, so would the H be in the film room with WRs or TEs?
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Ball was just special teams...maybe a couple carries in mop-up duty.

And H (as I understand it) is a WR/TE hybrid position, whereas Pivot is a RB/WR combo. So bigger guys like Brown fit at H and your quicker guys fit at Pivot generally speaking. Of course Brown may get a few carries (he had a couple this year) and a Pivot may have a larger role as a WR, but in theory that is how the positions should play out I believe.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Ball was just special teams...maybe a couple carries in mop-up duty.

And H (as I understand it) is a WR/TE hybrid position, whereas Pivot is a RB/WR combo. So bigger guys like Brown fit at H and your quicker guys fit at Pivot generally speaking. Of course Brown may get a few carries (he had a couple this year) and a Pivot may have a larger role as a WR, but in theory that is how the positions should play out I believe.
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Gotcha. I've just seen in several articles talking about a player playing the Pivot/H back position. And I didn't see Noah Brown and Dontre Wilson playing the same position
 
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Are Dunn and ball even going to be here next year? I expect one to transfer but both could. I guess they are sophomores ( I think) so they could potentially work their asses off to get the starting nod as a senior. Could also stay for a year and grad transfer. So we may need that depth later to keep a fresh rotation.
 
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