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2014 Offense Discussion

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Michael Bluth said:
My only cause for concern this week is that it's Barrett's first time playing in a hostile environment, and it's against a defense that is probably better than VA Tech's. I'm still confident we will come out strong, but there's just that little seed of doubt in the back of my head that keeps saying our recent explosion on offense is mainly due to the competition. This week can validate our offense.
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Unfortunately that little seed of doubt I had became a full-grown plant. We got the W though
 
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Against PSU, Dontre and Jalin combined had 11 touches for 68 total yards not counting special teams. That's nowhere near enough. Why can't we get our playmakers involved? For that matter we haven't had very many big plays as a team all year. I know we have an inexperienced OLine and QB and that's very important but can't we find a way to get #2 and #17 involved more?
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Against PSU, Dontre and Jalin combined had 11 touches for 68 total yards not counting special teams. That's nowhere near enough. Why can't we get our playmakers involved? For that matter we haven't had very many big plays as a team all year. I know we have an inexperienced OLine and QB and that's very important but can't we find a way to get #2 and #17 involved more?
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Because we rather run JT Barrett 20 times than give the ball to those guys. Don't you know anything? The offense was criticized last year for not running the QB enough, so this is just Herman answering the call of all the arm chair coaches in Columbus.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Against PSU, Dontre and Jalin combined had 11 touches for 68 total yards not counting special teams. That's nowhere near enough. Why can't we get our playmakers involved? For that matter we haven't had very many big plays as a team all year. I know we have an inexperienced OLine and QB and that's very important but can't we find a way to get #2 and #17 involved more?
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11 touches seems about right for two players splitting 1 skill position between them.
IMO, the people we needed to get more touches to were 3,4,6,9,81,84
Against PSU, those 6 players combined for 5 touches and 25yds.
For comparisons' sake, in the 4 games after VTech, these players have combined to average 18.5 touches/game for 211.75yds/game
Wilson and Marshall combined averaged 6 touches / 68.75yds in the 4 games after VTech.

Heuerman (not included in that list) was the biggest non-RB/pivot contributor with 3rec 19yds 1 TD ... and frankly that's not enough either.
 
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I have to admit after Saturday's game, I am becoming more and more concerned about our short yardage plays. We have struggled this year on 3rd/4th and 1 or 2, as well as, down on the goal line in short yardage situations. We haven't been able to pound the ball like last year with Hyde. I would really like to see them put JT under center and bring two backs (Ball?) or a TE into the backfield with Zeke. This or maybe sometching like a misdirection throwback to the TE off the line.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I have to admit after Saturday's game, I am becoming more and more concerned about our short yardage plays. We have struggled this year on 3rd/4th and 1 or 2, as well as, down on the goal line in short yardage situations. We haven't been able to pound the ball like last year with Hyde. I would really like to see them put JT under center and bring two backs (Ball?) or a TE into the backfield with Zeke. This or maybe sometching like a misdirection throwback to the TE off the line.
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I have to wonder if our QB's and center can even snap the ball under center. Theoretically both of our QB's are good enough runners to pickup a yard on a sneak on 4th down. I never played center, but it seems like it's hard to be as physical off the ball when you have to make sure you have a perfect shotgun snap in short yardage. Back in the day everyone on the line got in a 4 point stance and fired off as low as possible so the QB could find the hole. It would be nice if dave was still part of the offense, just not the whole offense.
 
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Seems to me there is a package that could exist with Cardale under center and Zeke in the backfield with one other. The "Jumbo" package. Gives you a sneak, a power play, the Tebow jump pass, all sorts of interesting options. Even JT and Cardale together in the backfield would be interesting.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I have to admit after Saturday's game, I am becoming more and more concerned about our short yardage plays. We have struggled this year on 3rd/4th and 1 or 2, as well as, down on the goal line in short yardage situations. We haven't been able to pound the ball like last year with Hyde. I would really like to see them put JT under center and bring two backs (Ball?) or a TE into the backfield with Zeke. This or maybe sometching like a misdirection throwback to the TE off the line.
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If we are running it up the middle on the goal line I want to see the field spread. Bringing two wideouts forces two DBs out of the box and forces two safeties to play off a little more. This gives us the numbers. When you bring the entire offense in the box to gain 2 blockers it allows the defense to bring 4 more defenders. I will take 9 on 7 before I take 11 on 11. Only way everyone in the box really has high rate of success is with a player shifting to one side and running in that direction the the corner or sometimes running inside counter. For the most part we go old school smash mouth up the middle and loose (if the opponent is any good).
 
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I hear and understand what you are saying, but it isn't working so far this year. It was great last year when we had El Guapo and Braxton because they could go either way with power or with outside speed. I still think we need a power package. It doesn't mean you can't throw out of it.
 
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Personally I've had enough of these no-back sets on short yardage. Especially goal line. Some of the play calling down there has been mind boggling.
Like that option against Navy.
They seem to have good success with several shallow horizontal routes, missed one to Thomas against Illinois though. So people might be keying off that now too.
Part of me wants to see Cardale used like Tebow in 2006... let him go wild once in awhile as a glorified full back behind center with the occasional pass. Take a little wear and tear off of JT. On the other hand, that didn't work well against PSU in a short yardage situation.

Biggest thing I'm looking for is whether JT will be able to get through his presnap reads and adjustments w/crowd noise this time. Didn't seem like the offense was well prepared for the noise against PSU -- a lot of miscommunication issues, so I'm hoping that's been ironed out since. If it has, then I think our offense can outscore theirs and the defense has come a long way.
 
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kujirakira said:
Personally I've had enough of these no-back sets on short yardage. Especially goal line. Some of the play calling down there has been mind boggling.
Like that option against Navy.
They seem to have good success with several shallow horizontal routes, missed one to Thomas against Illinois though. So people might be keying off that now too.
Part of me wants to see Cardale used like Tebow in 2006... let him go wild once in awhile as a glorified full back behind center with the occasional pass. Take a little wear and tear off of JT. On the other hand, that didn't work well against PSU in a short yardage situation.

Biggest thing I'm looking for is whether JT will be able to get through his presnap reads and adjustments w/crowd noise this time. Didn't seem like the offense was well prepared for the noise against PSU -- a lot of miscommunication issues, so I'm hoping that's been ironed out since. If it has, then I think our offense can outscore theirs and the defense has come a long way.
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By far the biggest positive IMO was the crowd at PSU. Will MSU be rowdy? Yes. Will it be as crazy loud as PSU? Hell no. They just don't have the bodies to manufacture that kind of noise. I think PSU has like 30k more people. Think about that. They have 40% more people in their stadium. Even if their fans are as crazy loud as PSU's fans, it's just not possible for MSU to create as loud of an atmosphere.
 
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