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2013 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Until the 11:56 mark Roby seemed to be playing lights out. I remember hitting a guy(as he does Gordan) like that back in the day and getting a weird pain in my side/back. It didn't feel right for a week and I couldn't really do any kind of stretching to relieve the tightness I was feeling. I'm not trying to speculate on what may have happened to him but in all fairness he may have had some pain every time he tried to swivel his hips or change direction.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
The LBs not getting to the right spots (deep enough, primarily) in their zone coverage is a huge part of the problem.

Also, it's not enough to just get there, they need to be aware of what's going on around them as well (keep their head on a swivel).

Perry and Grant have both been a major weakness in pass coverage thus far because of this.

Edit: for the record, I disagree with buckIpower- it's not the secondary, it's the LBs.

In their defense, though, it's understandable that some inexperienced LBs were focussing more on stopping the run than pass coverage.

In fact, that was pretty obviously the plan.

If Roby didn't have a bad game it wouldn't have been as bad, obviously.
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LBs had nothing to do with us getting beat on intermediate and long throws. The Wisky QB had day to sit in the pocket off of the playaction and put air under the ball. In fact, Wisconsin's TE only had 3 catches for 36 yards.

My problem with the LBs was that we didn't blitz them enough. Should've been some kind of automatic blitz trigger when the RB stayed back for pass protection, considering that:
  • their QB was immobile and wasn't accurate at all when pressured.
  • their best TE Pedersen didn't play (at least did not record a single catch)
  • once their run game had been stopped, they had to connect deep. Their was no way for them to get back to the game by dink and dunk with passes to TEs once their running game was shut down.
  • our best pass rusher is playing LB. Amazes me that Wisconsin wasn't afraid to use a 5-11 Borland to aggressive pass-rush when we were afraid to use Shazier more.
The three man pass rush in the redzone is something I'll never understand. Theoretically the boundary is your deep safety who can never be beaten. So the marginal utility to adding an extra guy in pass coverage when you got a QB who can't handle the pressure very well can't be very high.
 
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WaitingforKickoff said:
LBs had nothing to do with us getting beat on intermediate and long throws.
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You don't understand football, then.

The intermediate throws are absolutely on the LBs when it is their zone responsibility to cover it.

The long pass at the end of the first quarter is the perfect example, that one is 100% on the LBs not getting deep enough in their zones.

Wisconsin's second touchdown was also 100% on the linebackers not getting deep enough in their zones.

There are other examples as well.
 
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People underestimate how fast C. Grant is rushing the passer. I think we would be better keeping Shazier back in coverage and rushing Grant. Play to both players strength. But you do have to mix things up on defense to keep their offense off balance. But in this game we sold out to stop their run game so we sacrificed some in coverage. It was the best decision for Wisconsin. You don't do that to Northwestern.
 
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I think Shazier is fast enough to help in coverage this week. Would rather see him do that and break up some passes and maybe pick one, rather than get caught up in the scrum.

Even without Shazier, NW has to be concerned with our pass rush. Bennet, Washington, Bosa, Carter, etc., plus Curtis Grant?

In fact, I would really love to see the Bucks limit Northwestern to 40 or 50 rushing yards. I would love to see NW facing 2nd and 12, or 3d and 10. Longer routes, easier pickin's.

Losing Bryant is a killer, but I just have a feeling that the Bucks have some tricks up their sleeves they haven't showed yet.

OSU 41, NW 20.

Jordan Hall throws a TD to Huermann (I'm going to keep calling this until it happens!) and Kenny G runs a couple of series in the 4th quarter.

Can't wait. What a great year (so far).
 
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We used to complain about how the scheme was holding us back on offense during the Tressel years. I think the same is happening on defense right now, youth notwithstanding. There is no excuse to see opposing receivers with so much grass around them. There is no excuse to see a 5'8 175lb kid stiff arm an Ohio State defender. There is no excuse for the multiple breakdowns in pass coverage against inferior opponents. I hate bashing individual coaches, but with an experienced secondary that is supposed to carry this defense and playing a lot of nickel and dime with 1 or 2 LB most of the time, this is not the product we expect to see at Ohio State. I'm glad we won and I know practices for players will be difficult the next couple weeks, but I really hope Urban tears the defensive staff a new one
 
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