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2013 Preseason and regular polls

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USA Today Coaches Poll is out.

  • Buckeyes #3. They are on average just above 3rd place on the average card, and at least two voters put the Buckeyes into #2 on their cards.
  • #4 Clemson is on average in 5th place on the average card. As many as 13 voters had them below #5 on their card.
This is looking quite good, should Ohio State win out and #1 or #2 fall.
 
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DiamondBuck said:
I watched Ohio State beat up on Illinois earlier in the day. Running back Carlos Hyde, a good player with great balance, scored five touchdowns in the game, two from beyond 50 yards. But what got my attention is how a slow defensive Illini team was able to catch him from behind on a 26-yard run at the end of the first quarter. It's a small thing, but very telling of his lack of speed and quickness.
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He got caught, that means he's slow. It doesn't mean the guys that caught him are fast.......Yep
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
I meant while the opponent was ranked 15th or higher.

I agree though, Wisconsin should be much higher and they would be if it weren't for those damn refs in the ASU game.
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What does it matter how they started? What matters is where they finish. Beating UF looked good at the beginning of the year. That doesn't mean Cryami should get credit for knocking off a top ten team, right?
 
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DiamondBuck said:
(POSTED NOV 19)

Big Ten teams lack speed to compete outside conference

With that said, I like Baylor even more. That's why I moved the Bears ahead of Ohio State on my Harris Poll ballot this week. And I did it with confidence and conviction.

You give me a neutral field and put both of those teams on it, and I don't think it's even close. No offense to Ohio State, because the Buckeyes are well-coached and have excellent players, many of whom will contribute at the next level. But because of the way football is played today offensively, where players are spread out all over the field, really good Big Ten teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin will always be sizable underdogs against their SEC, Pac-12 -- as well as many of their ACC and Big 12 -- counterparts.

I was on the sideline of Baylor's 63-34 victory over Texas Tech on Saturday. The speed at which the game was played was impressive, especially by Baylor.

Now watch a Big Ten game, and you'll notice most of the skill players are plodders. That's less criticism than it is factual. That type of athlete used to work years ago when offenses were constructed in a phone booth, with most of the formations and action taking place between the hashmarks.

I watched Ohio State beat up on Illinois earlier in the day. Running back Carlos Hyde, a good player with great balance, scored five touchdowns in the game, two from beyond 50 yards. But what got my attention is how a slow defensive Illini team was able to catch him from behind on a 26-yard run at the end of the first quarter. It's a small thing, but very telling of his lack of speed and quickness.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...eams-lack-speed-to-compete-outside-conference

I wonder if he will waver in his conviction and keep Baylor ahead of the Buckeyes...
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So he watched Hyde get caught from behind once and the two long breakaway TD runs vs. Illinois meant ... what exactly?
 
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BUCKYLE said:
What does it matter how they started? What matters is where they finish. Beating UF looked good at the beginning of the year. That doesn't mean Cryami should get credit for knocking off a top ten team, right?
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True. I completely agree that its the final poll that matters most. I do find myself defending the NW seeing as how they were #16 when the Bucks played and beat them in Evanston when people say OSU has only beaten one top 25 team all season.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
True. I completely agree that its the final poll that matters most. I do find myself defending the NW seeing as how they were #16 when the Bucks played and beat them in Evanston when people say OSU has only beaten one top 25 team all season.
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Yeah I wouldn't argue NW is a good team, but they sure as shit played like one that night.

I haven't put much stock in rankings this year. No one can convince me Sparty hasn't belonged in the top ten for three weeks at least. It's especially absurd that there are two teams ahead of both Sparty and Wisky that have two losses. The real shit sandwich this year was that wisky/azst game. In a year where every SoS point may count, Wisky gets robbed. Not against some shit team, but a team that if Wisky hadn't been cheated...I mean shit, ASU may be Pac champs. The third best team in the B1G should have a win against the Pac champs. At THEIR PLACE! :lol:

Fuck the polls.

Anyone else in favor of shutting this thread down until roughly 4 o'clock Saturday? I know I am.
 
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Steve19 said:
AP poll is out.
  • 56 voters had Alabama #1 and FSU #2
  • 4 voters had Alabama #2 and FSU #1
  • Ohio State was #3 on all cards except for 5 votes, which means that a maximum of 5 voters had the Buckeyes #4.
  • #4 Auburn is 81 votes behind Ohio State
  • #5 Missouri is 173 votes behind Ohio State.
Oh, and don't look at Sagarin's model for this week unless you want heartburn (Oregon, Baylor and Wisconsin ahead of us in predictor; NIU is ahead of us in the BCS model).
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Here are some of the more interesting votes (just a quick scan... so I stand to be corrected):
- Kendall ("The State", Columbia, SC) has FSU, Bama, Ohio State and Wisconsin at #1 through #4 respectively
- Wilner (San Jose Mercury News) has Bama, FSU, Auburn, Missouri, and Ok State at #1 through #5 respectively. He has Ohio State at #6
- Sharp (Detroit Free Press) has Bama, FSU, Auburn, Ok State, Ohio State and Missou at #1 through #6 respectively

Other than those who have Auburn at #4 (and Kendall who has Wisky at #4), 11 voters have Missou at #4, 6 have Clemson at #4, and 2 have Ok State at #4 (Emerson from Macon Ga Telegraph and Long from WJFK radio).

Source: http://collegefootball.ap.org/poll
 
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DiamondBuck said:
(POSTED NOV 19)

Big Ten teams lack speed to compete outside conference

With that said, I like Baylor even more. That's why I moved the Bears ahead of Ohio State on my Harris Poll ballot this week. And I did it with confidence and conviction.

You give me a neutral field and put both of those teams on it, and I don't think it's even close. No offense to Ohio State, because the Buckeyes are well-coached and have excellent players, many of whom will contribute at the next level. But because of the way football is played today offensively, where players are spread out all over the field, really good Big Ten teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin will always be sizable underdogs against their SEC, Pac-12 -- as well as many of their ACC and Big 12 -- counterparts.

I was on the sideline of Baylor's 63-34 victory over Texas Tech on Saturday. The speed at which the game was played was impressive, especially by Baylor.

Now watch a Big Ten game, and you'll notice most of the skill players are plodders. That's less criticism than it is factual. That type of athlete used to work years ago when offenses were constructed in a phone booth, with most of the formations and action taking place between the hashmarks.

I watched Ohio State beat up on Illinois earlier in the day. Running back Carlos Hyde, a good player with great balance, scored five touchdowns in the game, two from beyond 50 yards. But what got my attention is how a slow defensive Illini team was able to catch him from behind on a 26-yard run at the end of the first quarter. It's a small thing, but very telling of his lack of speed and quickness.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...eams-lack-speed-to-compete-outside-conference

I wonder if he will waver in his conviction and keep Baylor ahead of the Buckeyes...
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Ahh. Gil Brandt. It took the biggest trade in NFL history for the Cowboys to recover from his last years as Dallas' chief of personnel. I'm sure he's better now.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
True. I completely agree that its the final poll that matters most. I do find myself defending the NW seeing as how they were #16 when the Bucks played and beat them in Evanston when people say OSU has only beaten one top 25 team all season.
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It seems you're asking a bit much of these voters. They see FSU rout Clemson and that's all they seem to care about, it doesn't matter how many games OSU wins or how many points they win by. They think they saw all they needed to with that one game. I don't even think it matters at this point whether Clemson gets pantsed by South Carolina.

I know NW played a good game against OSU, and the NW team that played OSU would've definitely made a bowl had they stayed intact all year, and maybe would've won 8 or even 9 games considering how close they have been in most of their losses, but many of the voters just aren't going to give OSU that benefit of the doubt. The narrative has already been set in stone, people have their minds made up about the "pecking order" of the undefeateds, and all OSU can do is win all their games and hope for the best. It would be better if there were no polls at all until the end of the year, so people couldn't be influenced as much by groupthink and had to make an independent judgment once after everything was finished.
 
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