2012 Defense Discussion

[Onebuckfan]

If LF is really in charge of the defense he needs to get in the face of the LB coach and ask him when CG and others will be ready to play

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

During the Heacock era, what was Fickell's roll as Co-DC? was it in game planning or was he making the calls during the game? Also we lost our entire secondary coaching staff, as well as one of the better DL coaches in the country. Perhaps this D staff needs more time to gel than the offensive guys? I just don't see anyone losing their job this year, but I do see Meyer reaming them a new one after games like this. I think if it continues into next year people might be toast.

on a side note Tavers Johnson should be available at the end of the season.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

If LF is really in charge of the defense he needs to get in the face of the LB coach and ask him when CG and others will be ready to play

Luke needs to look in the mirror .. he's the LB coach

 

[buckeyebri]

I think it's too early to talk about coaching changes. I think we can all clearly see where this is trending. I just can't figure out why this defensive coaching staff are unwilling to make changes. If things are not working in the previous six games, why continue to stick with it. I don't buy the lack of talent argument.

I didn't say anything about coaching changes. What I do question is who is teaching what? None of the young players, especially at LB and DB seem to have a clue and/or look to be progressing. When you have to move your FB to defense, something is very wrong. We have the no.1 LB from his class sitting on the bench as a sophomore. We have some highly recruited players not seeing the field on a porous defense. Something is amiss to me.

 

[pnuts34]

I think it's too early to talk about coaching changes. I think we can all clearly see where this is trending. I just can't figure out why this defensive coaching staff are unwilling to make changes. If things are not working in the previous six games, why continue to stick with it. I don't buy the lack of talent argument.

I agree that a coaching change shouldn't be made yet. I remember there were multiple times that fans wanted tressell fired for his game calls, yet he was extremely successful. I figured this year would have a learning curve, and I'm glad that we're still undefeated, but our D isn't playing consistently. It seems that we play according to what we think the opposing team is, I.e.: we had a good defense execute against msu and nu, yet uab, iu, cal and Miami scored almost at will and put up big yards on us. Both players and coaching has something to do with that. I would like to see us bring in more depth at LB, and watch how our current frosh develop to year 2. I think stoicpaisano hit it on the head, with how many LBs we have lost over the last few years. A position that is usually our strength has become a sudden weakness because recruiting is such a carp shoot. Alabama, LSU and usc could just as easily have been like us as far as depth, and we could be the ones with dominant LBs, and able to throw 3 studs out there at a time.

 

[buckeyboy]

IMO it's not too early to talk about changes. I mean afterall Something has to change right? If michigans defensive coach can get Kovacs to play like Ronnie Lott then someone should be able to get Bryant to play at a higher level as well.

Too early was weeks 2-4. We are 7 weeks in and we've been absolutely CRUSHED by 3-4 doormat teams on defense.

I just don't think making a major coaching change on the defensive side right now will yield the results we all want to see. Five games left to play and learning new schemes doesn't excite me right now when some players have yet to understand the current defensive scheme.

 

[pnuts34]

I didn't say anything about coaching changes. What I do question is who is teaching what? None of the young players, especially at LB and DB seem to have a clue and/or look to be progressing. When you have to move your FB to defense, something is very wrong. We have the no.1 LB from his class sitting on the bench as a sophomore. We have some highly recruited players not seeing the field on a porous defense. Something is amiss to me.

The players should be held accountable, theyre in the game. If grant can't get the light to come on, that's on him, imo. Boren playing LB also has to deal with injuries as well as our young LBs not picking up the playbook or the staff not thinking they're ready. Just because they 4 or 5stars next to them while they played HS football doesn't mean they'll immediately adjust to the college game

 

[Onebuckfan]

Luke needs to look in the mirror .. he's the LB coach

Sorry no sarca:sm font..:)

 

[buckeyebri]

The players should be held accountable, theyre in the game. If grant can't get the light to come on, that's on him, imo. Boren playing LB also has to deal with injuries as well as our young LBs not picking up the playbook or the staff not thinking they're ready. Just because they 4 or 5stars next to them while they played HS football doesn't mean they'll immediately adjust to the college game

Sure the players should be held accountable, but too many guys aren't seemingly getting it in my book. What does that say? Is it the types of players we are recruiting, is it the schemes we run, is it the coaching, is it a combo of all of the above? I don't know, but again something seems out of alignment right now.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Sure the players should be held accountable, but too many guys aren't seemingly getting it in my book. What does that say? Is it the types of players we are recruiting, is it the schemes we run, is it the coaching, is it a combo of all of the above? I don't know, but again something seems out of alignment right now.

Maybe they need to dumb down the scheme, instead of having the entire playbook available and giving up a crap ton of points, maybe we just need to narrow it down to 2 defensive formations... who knows seems like your right though something isn't getting through to the Def.

 

[buckeyegunners]

Last week wasn't great but I can certainly live with it. 4 turnovers(should have been 5), 4-5 sacks. A ton of points but they also set up a ton of points and they attacked.

This defense cannot play bend but don't break. We learned it last year, there just are way too many breakdowns and too many players that struggle with tackling in space for it to work. Also the safeties and lbs just don't read what is going on fast enough.

I can live with giving up points while attacking and forcing them into mistakes and sure Urban can too. Can't live with just waiting to be beat by sitting back and creating zero pressure which essentially is what happened last night. This defense simply cannot work with no pressure, the back 7 isn't good enough.

Either way, I'm happy to be 7-0 and faith in a head coach that will get it right. This isn't a great team now and we want a NC run next year, I like that we are facing adversity while still winning. Fix the things that need to be fixed before we face a real opponent that exposes us.

 

[bukIpower]

I just don't think making a major coaching change on the defensive side right now will yield the results we all want to see. Five games left to play and learning new schemes doesn't excite me right now when some players have yet to understand the current defensive scheme.

I meant at the year end of course. Changing coaches now would do nothing that would benefit the team. At years end and with a whole off season to prepare for we should be ready to go in 2013'. I do not see us getting any better if we are getting worse as the season goes and it sucks to say but it can't look good for some our defensive coaches.

I'm just happy that we hired Herman on offense and our OL coach because the offense is keeping this team afloat. I'm not sure how many wins we'd have if our offense wasn't playing well.

 

[Bronsin]

This defense cannot play bend but don't break. We learned it last year, there just are way too many breakdowns and too many players that struggle with tackling in space for it to work. Also the safeties and lbs just don't read what is going on fast enough.

I can live with giving up points while attacking and forcing them into mistakes and sure Urban can too. Can't live with just waiting to be beat by sitting back and creating zero pressure which essentially is what happened last night. This defense simply cannot work with no pressure, the back 7 isn't good enough.

Either way, I'm happy to be 7-0 and faith in a head coach that will get it right. This isn't a great team now and we want a NC run next year, I like that we are facing adversity while still winning. Fix the things that need to be fixed before we face a real opponent that exposes us.

+1

 

[LordJeffBuck]

The 2012 defense has given up 172 points through 7 games.

The 2012 defense is on pace to give up 295 points in 12 games, and will challenge the "record" set by the 1989 team (297 points allowed in 12 games).

By comparison, the 2002 Ohio State NC team gave up 183 points in 14 games.

The 2006 Florida NC team gave up 189 points in 14 games.

The 2008 Florida NC team gave up 181 points in 14 games.

The 2009 Florida team (a 13-game winner) gave up 174 points in 14 games.

Meyer is known as an offensive genius, but his best teams have had tremendous defenses as well. Those responsible for this season's defensive meltdown will not survive.

 

[ant80]

The 2012 defense has given up 172 points through 7 games.

The 2012 defense is on pace to give up 295 points in 12 games, and will challenge the "record" set by the 1989 team (297 points allowed in 12 games).

By comparison, the 2002 Ohio State NC team gave up 183 points in 14 games.

The 2006 Florida NC team gave up 189 points in 14 games.

The 2008 Florida NC team gave up 181 points in 14 games.

The 2009 Florida team (a 13-game winner) gave up 174 points in 14 games.

Meyer is known as an offensive genius, but his best teams have had tremendous defenses as well. Those responsible for this season's defensive meltdown will not survive.

This worries me about our D's quality next year as well. We whiffed on major LB recruits for the 2013 recruiting class. We probably have a some quality LB's coming for the 2014 class, but we have to make do with what we have at hand for the next season. Seeing our LB play yesterday, that thought scares me to death.