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2012 Defense Discussion

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This drives me crazy. If the head coach wants the DBs to play tighter coverage on WRs coming off the LOS why isn't it done
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Maybe because he knows how good they'd be at it?

Can anybody name a DB besides Roby that they'd trust to win one-on-one matchups with little or no cushion?

I hate conceding all that space at the line of scrimmage on every play, but the personnel may dictate it. It's not like this is all that new, either. They have played a soft zone for years now. Maybe it hasn't always been this soft, but I imagine players were recruited and trained before this season to fit that style.

I'm not sure you solve many problems with this group by simply moving the players tighter to the line.
 
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This defense lacks good tackling by virtually everyone. The good news is that I think that's fixable, but it's concerning that we haven't seen it fixed after last year and through 4 games this year.
Like many people have said, we lack the talent at LBer that we've become accustomed to here at Ohio State. I think the same is true for safety. Adding Vonn Bell might fix that pretty quickly.
 
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Why not line up tighter to the WRs, but still drop into our soft zone (if of our D coaches prefer zone, i.e. Fickell and Withers)?

The defense should be the strength of this team with what we have back... But a few less 3 and outs by the offense could definitely help a struggling defense!!!!!!
 
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I can understand playing off when its 1st and 10, but playing 7 yards off when it's 3rd and 3 is ridiculous. They tore us up yesterday with that stuff, and I guarantee MSU will do that very same thing to us unless that's fixed.
 
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jlb1705;2220376; said:
Maybe because he knows how good they'd be at it?

Can anybody name a DB besides Roby that they'd trust to win one-on-one matchups with little or no cushion?

I hate conceding all that space at the line of scrimmage on every play, but the personnel may dictate it. It's not like this is all that new, either. They have played a soft zone for years now. Maybe it hasn't always been this soft, but I imagine players were recruited and trained before this season to fit that style.

I'm not sure you solve many problems with this group by simply moving the players tighter to the line.
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Agree but we got to change that this week, make Maxwell and the receivers beat you through the air
 
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bukIpower;2220089; said:
After looking at the comments by Meyer expect for the coverage to get much tighter. He was quoted saying something like "If our corners are as good as we think they are we're going to have to have them press and not give up so much room" so atleast we'll see what press coverage will do for us with man.

The defense hasn't changed all 4 games until Meyer has came out and said ok enough is enough and frankly thats sad. The defensive coaches should know by now that if your getting murdered by the quick stuff/screens you have to come up and play them tight and the fact that we stubbornly stayed in our 10 yards off the ball umbrella just tells me our defensive staff is not doing their job.

After UCF- Urban "we need to blitz more"... staff's response "yes sir, anything sir"

After this game urban "wtf guys we're playing 10 yards off the ball!" staffs response will be "yes sir, anything sir we'll play man!"

Fickell and withers should be able to make these adjustments MID GAME and it's something that Heacock would've done. The head coach shouldn't HAVE TO be saying these things after the fact. I just think it's sorta sad that the coaches are having to be TOLD to change their style and fix it rather than the coaches actually figuring it out. I have a feeling Urban likes tight coverage, lots of blitzing, and taking the fight to the offense sadly its just not Ficks style.

Its always been keep things infront of you, play sound football, and bend but don't break. If Fickel can't get out of that mind set I'm not too sure he'll be here past this season. I really hope he does just flip that switch because he's a huge asset to OSU.
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I agree that the defensive coaches get paid to make the adjustments on their own. However, (like in my profession) experience goes a loooong way. Urban is a defensive minded coach, he has played and critiqued defenses for almost 30 years. Decisions and fixes of the college game are going to come to his mind much quicker than that of Fickell or Vrabel.

Just curious, I have seen Fickell being judged a lot on here, but not much for our other Defensive Coordinator, Everett Withers. Just curious.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
I agree that the defensive coaches get paid to make the adjustments on their own. However, (like in my profession) experience goes a loooong way. Urban is a defensive minded coach, he has played and critiqued defenses for almost 30 years. Decisions and fixes of the college game are going to come to his mind much quicker than that of Fickell or Vrabel.

Just curious, I have seen Fickell being judged a lot on here, but not much for our other Defensive Coordinator, Everett Withers. Just curious.
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and we also have a head coach who says he would like to see tighter coverage. I thought that the head coach could override any decision or philosophy of a coordinator or any assistant coach.
 
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LitlBuck;2220490; said:
and we also have a head coach who says he would like to see tighter coverage. I thought that the head coach could override any decision or philosophy of a coordinator or any assistant coach.
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Not sure what you mean. Were not discussing if the assistant and Coordinators will comply, we all agree they will. Were discussing why Urban has to come up with the ideas of fixes first.
 
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Bronsin;2220431; said:
I can understand playing off when its 1st and 10, but playing 7 yards off when it's 3rd and 3 is ridiculous. They tore us up yesterday with that stuff, and I guarantee MSU will do that very same thing to us unless that's fixed.
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They tore us up so much that they didn't score a TD, and didn't cross the 30 until the 4th quarter?
 
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jlb1705;2220376; said:
Maybe because he knows how good they'd be at it?

Can anybody name a DB besides Roby that they'd trust to win one-on-one matchups with little or no cushion?

I hate conceding all that space at the line of scrimmage on every play, but the personnel may dictate it. It's not like this is all that new, either. They have played a soft zone for years now. Maybe it hasn't always been this soft, but I imagine players were recruited and trained before this season to fit that style.

I'm not sure you solve many problems with this group by simply moving the players tighter to the line.
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I agree completely. These are my feelings as well, I believe it has much more to do with pure talent and ability than anything else.

In order to be able to play press/man coverage you have to have a minimum of 2 things: 1) a consistent and effective pass rush, and 2) cornerbacks who are physical enough to jam receivers effectively and also have enough catch-up ability when they're beat. The safety's need to be aware of where their corners are during any given play as well, making sure they're in the correct lane and have the right pursuit routes to make tackles.

No doubt our scheme is to play off-man. That happens b/c that plays to our personnel in the back end of the defense. Now, if you you're going to play off-man, then you'd better be a sure tackler, because you're already giving some ground ~ bend but don't break. We have issues right now with each facet of that scheme.

I'm all for Fick & Co. moving Howard and Roby up, but they had better be damn sure that Williams/Simon/Hankins/Goebel, etc. are pushing that pocket, and pushing it quick. As solid as that group is, I don't think they can be consistent enough doing that to make the man-press work correctly. I hope I'm wrong. I just dont see that physical play that needs to happen on the boundaries or at the safety position right now.
 
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Just figured I would throw some stats out there. Put this in the UAB game thread as well. We're bagging on the defense pretty hard, but their stats speak otherwise.

Travis Howard is tied for 11th nationally in interceptions. He's only one bind the the national leader.

Howard - 3 INTs.
Bryant, Johnson, Grant, and Bino - all with one.

Also, Bryant forced a fumble, Roby has a fumble return for TD.
Both Bino and Shazier both have forced fumbles.

Our DB's/LB's have a total of 7 INTs, 3 FF, 1 FR for TD, 4 Sacks, 7 TFL, and 21 B/U.

Also, the defense as a whole is averaging only 17 points against.
 
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CleveBucks;2220544; said:
They tore us up so much that they didn't score a TD, and didn't cross the 30 until the 4th quarter?
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No, they didn't score, but they kept getting first downs with it. That's OK I guess. Nobody else we play is going to watch any of that video anyway................
 
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