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2011 Quarterbacks Discussion

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jlb1705;1970255; said:
Sure, if they're both sophomores. If the two players are a senior and a freshman, you play the freshman every time unless you plan to redshirt him.
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I dont disagree and I think we are splitting hairs but game time for both could be good. BM was hurt a bit in high school and I think JB knows the system better than anyone else. I hope one of the 4 separates soon. Go Bucks
 
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Looks like Bauserman and Miller are still getting most of the reps.

THURSDAY CAMP: BAUSERMAN, MILLER STILL TOP TWO AT QB

COLUMBUS - Ohio State head football coach Luke Fickell insists there isn't a quarterback depth chart in place as of yet, but once again on Thursday morning it was fifth-year senior Joe Bauserman and true freshman Braxton Miller who were manning the first and second units in practice.

"No!" Fickell grinned, when asked if there is any pecking order going on under center.

Maybe the first-year coach was meaning he doesn't have a starter at this point. Although Joe Bauserman ran the most reps with the first-team offense on Thursday, Miller was used a little more with the starting unit and even led the ones in the final two-minute drill of the day.

The battle looks to be heating up going into Saturday's jersey scrimmage, where game-like conditions could make the decision easier for Fickell and the coaching staff.

"It's the time where the coaches are going to back off a little bit and they're going to play like they would in a game," Fickell said. "It's your time to shine."

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Onebuckfan;1970289; said:
I am in the start Miller and live with him..but it would be easier to start Joe B and switch to Miller than starting Miller amd having to make a change .
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I'm guessing this is what will happen, unless Miller is heads above the rest. Both QBs will split time in the first few games, and by the Miami or MSU game we will have a clear cut #1 who will start and play the majority of the season.

I would not be upset with either QB...i think both give different aspects that can lead us to some W's.
 
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Ohio State notebook: Quarterback job a two-man race?
Friday August 19, 2011
By Bill Rabinowitz
The Columbus Dispatch

Luke Fickell gave a one-word answer, with no elaboration.

But as the Ohio State football coach is fond of saying, actions reveal more than words.

For the second straight practice open to the media, Joe Bauserman and Braxton Miller took the vast majority of snaps at quarterback.On Tuesday, Fickell was vague about whether a pecking order had emerged, indicating that the breakdown might apply only to that day.

Asked yesterday whether he would be any more definitive after Bauserman and Miller again dominated the number of snaps, Fickell replied, ?No.?

Then again, he doesn?t have to say that Bauserman and Miller are ahead of Kenny Guiton and Taylor Graham. The snaps reveal it.

As has been the case throughout camp, Bauserman took the first snaps in drills with the first unit. That?s befitting a senior with the most, albeit slim, game experience. But Miller, the true freshman from Huber Heights, Ohio, is taking almost as many snaps. Guiton and Graham combined to share about 20 percent of the snaps.

Bauserman made some nice throws, as did Miller, who also continues to show impressive scrambling ability. But neither has done enough to seize the job.

The jersey scrimmage Saturday will be a milestone in beginning to settle the position, because quarterbacks are expected to be fair game to be hit for at least part of the scrimmage.
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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/08/19/qb-job-a-two-man-race.html
 
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Why start Bauserman though, if you're the staff, when you expect Braxton to be starting those games against MSU, etc.?

If I'm a coach, I want that young QB to get the most reps as possible before those games, get used to starting up the offense from the get go BEFORE I get into that buzzsaw. Experience is monumental and those games against Akron, Colorado, etc. are crucial to that. No point in sending out a lame duck QB when it hinders development. Get used to seeing how teams will game plan him, get him confident, let the team know right away whose the guy, and go with it....but starting Bauserman only to give way to Braxton doesn't send a great signal, IMO, to the team nor does it put either of those QB's in a great situation. Let's say Bauserman plays lights out....then what? No need to a dilemna that can be avoided. If you expect Braxton to be the guy in game 3, get him out there right away in game 1 and let him get his feet wet as much as possible before the big boys come calling.
 
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I find it interesting that in the Big Ten Preview of the Buckeyes, both Griffith and Dinardo said they'd start Bauserman. Granted, they also said a lot of things that showed they weren't as familiar with the team as most of us; but I thought it interesting that guys who looked at this from a football-only perspective, who aren't fans at all, both preferred Bauserman after watching last Monday's practice.
 
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I think it is pretty natural to go with seniority, particularly for individuals who haven't had much experience watching Joe not progress much over the years and struggle with consistency.

They certainly demonstrated their lack of knowledge with listing D Line depth as a weakness and making Jordan Hall his unsung hero, despite being the main returner for two years and entering this year as the pseudo starting running back.
 
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The problem with Joe is that he often is not consistent, which negates the experience he brings to the table. He clearly has a better command of the offense but typically throws as many if not more questionable or off target passes than Braxton. Yesterday he threw one pick, another that was dropped, and a couple other dangerous ones.

Braxton's lack of familiarity with the offense is apparent, but his age is not when it comes to passing the football. He only threw one questionable pass yesterday and that went for a TD.

Bauserman did display better poise in the pocket yesterday, keeping his eyes downfield more often. It is hard to ding him for throwing plenty of checkdowns since all qbs did that and the first team receivers simply were not open. That was equal parts great play by Roby and Howard as well as lingering questions about returning receivers not named Posey.

Braxton is such a natural passer. He is an electrifying runner, but he is a passer first. Pryor always tried to be but was always fighting to be one.

They are very different players. Pryor was a once in a generation athlete, at least for OSU. But his assets were speed, strength and a stiff arm. He was great at breaking tackles but poor at running around defenders, due to limited agility as well as a mentality that was not very fond of contact.

Braxton is not a once in a generation athlete. But he is a rare dynamic dual threat who is blessed with natural vision and ability in the passing game.

He cannot take as many hits as Pryor or get to the edge as quickly, but be can be a more dangerous runner. Pryor had legendary athleticism, but always ran for the edge and the sidelines. This was a big reason he almost never broke off long TD runs, because defenders knew the sideline was almost always an easy destination, and twelfth defender, to suggest to Pryor with their pursuit angles.

Braxton will not shrug off defensive tackles like Pryor did, but his ability to dive in and out of tacklers, leaving them grasping for air, is tremendous. At least five or six times the D had him contained from multiple angles, only to watch him dive in, out, or often both and make first team standout defenders look like freshmen.

As for a prediction: they will start Bauserman and ease Braxton in with many reps.
 
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As fall practice nears its completion, I continue to believe that QB play will be the limiting factor in this team's success. If we get better than adequate play at QB, we might have 1-2 losses. Less than adequate and we could lose 4 or more.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1972744; said:
I find it interesting that in the Big Ten Preview of the Buckeyes, both Griffith and Dinardo said they'd start Bauserman. Granted, they also said a lot of things that showed they weren't as familiar with the team as most of us; but I thought it interesting that guys who looked at this from a football-only perspective, who aren't fans at all, both preferred Bauserman after watching last Monday's practice.
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jwinslow;1972757; said:
I think it is pretty natural to go with seniority, particularly for individuals who haven't had much experience watching Joe not progress much over the years and struggle with consistency.

They certainly demonstrated their lack of knowledge with listing D Line depth as a weakness and making Jordan Hall his unsung hero, despite being the main returner for two years and entering this year as the pseudo starting running back.
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That certainly was Exhibit A
 
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Ohio State notebook: Bauserman, Miller top two QBs
Friday August 26, 2011
By Bill Rabinowitz
The Columbus Dispatch

As secrets go, it was a barely kept one.

It has been clear for a while that Ohio State?s quarterback competition has been whittled to senior Joe Bauserman and freshman Braxton Miller.

But coach Luke Fickell wouldn?t confirm that ? until yesterday.

He said Bauserman and Miller are the top two quarterbacks, ahead of Kenny Guiton and Taylor Graham. Fickell wouldn?t tip his hand about the starter for the opener against Akron.

?We?re going to make sure we continue to get them to compete and give them opportunities going into that first week and see how they do,? Fickell said. ?It?s different out there when it?s controlled (with tackling not permitted).

?I don?t know that we?re ready to truly say, ?Hey, this is yours.? We want them both to compete and want both of those guys who are taking the ones and twos to understand we need them. Right now it?s Joe and Braxton. They?ve been taking the majority of the reps, and I think they?ve done a good job and hopefully they?re helping each out more and more.?

In practices open to the media, Bauserman has usually taken the first set of snaps, followed by Miller. Bauserman is more of a traditional pocket quarterback. Miller is a dual threat. He might not be as fast as Terrelle Pryor, but he has quick feet and elusiveness. Miller has at times lacked decisiveness in the pocket, as one might expect from a true freshman.

On Sunday, wide receiver DeVier Posey was effusive about Bauserman.

?I really think Joe has set himself apart this week with his timing and throws,? Posey said.

Fickell was asked yesterday about his opinion of a two-quarterback system. Ohio State rotated Joe Germaine and Stanley Jackson during Fickell?s senior year in 1996 when the Buckeyes won the Rose Bowl.

?If you think that?s what?s best for the team, then that?s what you go with,? Fickell said. ?In ?96, we had a two-quarterback system and it worked. Whatever fits the team. You?ve got to give guys an opportunity to see what they do in front of 106,000 and how they accept that responsibility. I think that?s what we might be after.?
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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/08/26/bauserman-miller-top-two-qbs.html
 
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