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Bill Lucas
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The Fighting Hoke's are ranked 54th in the Sagarin ratings.
There aren't enough laughing emoticons for that one.
There aren't enough laughing emoticons for that one.
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DubCoffman62
Lazy Slob
I've was thinking about my the pac-10 always seems just a step behind the rest of the country when it comes to football. There's lots of terrific athletes out here as has been proved by the number of great skill position players it's produced. I think what it comes down to is the lack of "big boys" up front on both sides of the ball. They just don't seem to grow them that big like they do around the rest of the country.knapplc;1964366; said:
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BlufftonBuckeye
Hall of Fame
Boise at #7. C'mon.
Here we go again...Boise wins a single big-time game, gets fellated until the end of the year, then Rece Davis/Fowler and co can bitch and moan about the unfair system...I'm already getting nauseous.
Here we go again...Boise wins a single big-time game, gets fellated until the end of the year, then Rece Davis/Fowler and co can bitch and moan about the unfair system...I'm already getting nauseous.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
SmoovP;1964375; said:
You got another Ryan Mallet hidden on the bench? Most folks on this board will downgrade him because of his Michigan experience, but I thought he might have been the best QB in CFB last year. You don't find a QB with his skills everyday, so last year's accomplishments will be hard to duplicate this year IMO.
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SmoovP
doesn't ride a Harley
cincibuck;1964768; said:
The presumed starter is Tyler Wilson. He doesn't have the howitzer that Mallett has, but he's got a very good arm. He can make every throw on the field. And while he's no Mike Vick, he has decent mobility and can make some plays with his feet - which is going to be helpful with a green Oline.
He's a 4th year Junior who ran the team last spring when Mallett was re-habbing his foot, so this is his second full spring/fall to run the first team offense. He knows the system and is ready to take over. Was voted Team Captain on Thursday.
The presumed #2 is Brandon Mitchell, a dual-threat type who is blazing fast with his feet, but still just a little inaccurate with his arm. He's a redshirt sophomore. The kid behind him, Brandon Allen, is a true freshman - very talented and very highly rated. We expect him to be something special.
The thing is, with all the weapons we have on offense, our QB really just needs to be an efficient game-manager type and play smart. Bobby Petrino has an outstanding track record in developing QBs, so I'm pretty confident we'll be ok there.
Our Oline is the squad that is worrisome. Lot's of talent, but young and not a lot of experience. If they can come together by game four in Tuscaloosa, anything could happen.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Anyone care to explain just what the fuck FSU has done to deserve such high pre-season love? The bowl game was solid, but they we're absolutely destroyed by OU. As much as they love their young EJ I don't see how a bunch of freshman somehow make them such a good team.
I'm confident Jimbo is a great recruiter, he has the classes to back it up. But... 5? Damn!!
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Virgina Tech
Arkansas
All being above tOSU? What a crock. I like being under the radar, but just above Sparty is an insult.
I'm confident Jimbo is a great recruiter, he has the classes to back it up. But... 5? Damn!!
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M
South Carolina
Virgina Tech
Arkansas
All being above tOSU? What a crock. I like being under the radar, but just above Sparty is an insult.
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Buckeneye;1965639; said:
I attribute it to the lack of old person smell and no longer having to cut practices short for the early bird special.
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SmoovP
doesn't ride a Harley
I don't know that it's been posted, but here is what the consensus looks like.
http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2011.html
My thoughts - worthless as they may be - in parens:
1 Alabama (I don't see it. The SEC-W is brutal and have genuine questions on offense. Their schedule does work out in their favor though, they don't have any 'can't win' road games. Still, too high I think. Top ten, top five, sure, but not #1.)
2 Oklahoma (Hard to vote anyone above them. Absolutely loaded on offense and a solid defense. If they get by @FLaSt it's hard to see anyone beating them. Should be #1 and I hate to admit that because I hate Oklahoma and everyone in the whole God-forsaken state.)
3 Oregon (Too high. Lost too much on Defense. Have to play LSU in Dallas and @Stanford. They are not a good road team.)
4 Boise State (laughable and unworthy of comment. They have a 2 game season - @Georgia and v. TCU. Will win a lot of games and get their tiny cocks sucked all year.)
5 Florida State (I'm inclined to think this is pretty accurate. They are clearly heading in the right direction under Jimbo, but they might still be another year away. They've a pretty cushy schedule all year.)
6 LSU (If the Jordan Jefferson of the Cotton Bowl shows up all year, this might be a big one for LSU - but until I see it, I'm skeptical. They have an absolutely brutal road schedule this year with road trips @WestVirginia, @MissState, @Tenn, @Bama & @Mississippi. It's hard to know where to put them. Loaded with talent, but unpredictable.)
7 Stanford (A lot of talent, but not deep. Very favorable schedule. Probably about right.)
8 Nebraska (Perhaps a bit too high I think. I'm betting that they'll have some things to learn about playing in the B1G. Still have significant questions on offense and a train wreck of a head coach. @Wisconsin is probably their toughest road game of the year, but a pretty favorable schedule.)
9 Texas A&M (Too high. The press has fallen in love with QB Ryan Tannehill, but he really only had one impressive win last year v. Oklahoma and were destroyed by LSU in the Cotton Bowl. Tough road games @Oklahoma and @JerryWorld v. Razorbacks, so their schedule is decently soft catching Texas and OkState at home. Maybe this is the year, but I'm not sold yet.)
10 Oklahoma State (I'm thinking this is about right or maybe a few spots too low. They have a decent shot at being the #2 team in the B12 this year, but have a tough road schedule with games @TA&M, @Texas and @Missouri. They are going to be a tough out this year.)
11 Virginia Tech (Probably too low considering they don't play anyone and have won the last 481 ACC and Big East titles simultaneously.)
12 Notre Dame (The power of the ND brand at work as usual. Tough schedule. Too high. Way too high.)
13 Arkansas (As hard as I try, I can't be objective about this one. Probably in the neighborhood of about right. Questions about the Oline and QB have to be answered before I say this is too low. Have to prove we can beat Bama to claim much more than this. Tough schedule with road games @Bama and @LSU.)
14 Ohio State (Trying hard to be objective about this one too. @Nebraska, @Miami and @TSUN are the road games to watch. Loaded with talent, but a lot of uncertainty - coaching, suspensions, distractions, etc., so it's a fairly unpredictable situation. Probably about right at #13.)
15 South Carolina (I guess winning the SEC-E last year - in what was a very down year for that division - earns them this spot. They have some real talent and could dominate the East and still be only the 4th best team in the conference. Garcia and Lattimore are still riding last years Bama win. Rough October road schedule @MissState, @Tenn and @Arkansas. Over-rated and too high.)
16 Texas Christian (They don't play anyone, so who the fuck knows? A good team, well coached and have some talent, but their toughest game all year is @BoiseState. Too high.)
17 Wisconsin (The first half of their schedule is about as cushy as it gets. One game, v. Nebraska is the only one worth watching. The second half of their schedule is pretty decent too with the only worries being @Sparty and @tOSU. I'm looking for a fast start and a decent finish. They'll bulldoze some teams. Probably too low at #17.)
18 Georgia (Georgia has to put it together this year or Richt is history. Their schedule lines up pretty soft with the only tough road game being - well, nowhere really. Even so, this is a pretty generous spot for a team that is trending downward so sharply. They need to prove it this year.)
19 Missouri (Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of about right at #19 which is about their ceiling as a program most years. Decently tough schedule with road games @Oklahoma and @TA&M.)
20 Michigan State (It'll be hard for MSU to duplicate last years record. Road games @ND, @tOSU, @Nebraska and @Iowa. This is probably way too high.)
21 West Virginia (Basically a one game schedule with LSU coming to town. Should roll through the rest of their schedule without a lot of effort. Seeing as how it's the Big East, this is probably too high.)
22 Mississippi State (Snuck up on some folks last year, they won't do that this year. I actually look for them to regress a bit this year, but their schedule is pretty favorable with the only truly tough road game being @Arkansas. Probably about right at #22.)
23 Florida (A lot of talent, but young, inexperienced and not deep. Coaching transition. Weiss/Brantley - who knows how that's going to work out. Brantley was brutalized last year and if Weiss can straighten him out, he'll have earned his pay. Their road schedule works out pretty soft, playing @LSU being the tough one, and maybe @SoCarolina. It's easy to look at their schedule and count 5 losses though, getting the spoiled Florida fans off to a rough start with Muschamp. Too high even at #23.)
24 Southern Cal (Their depth is paper thin, but what talent they do have is outstanding. Tough games v. Stanford and @Oregon and maybe @Notre Dame. If they stay healthy, they could win 9 games. Probably too high at #24.)
25 Texas (Hard to know what to make of them. Basically a whole new coaching staff. Top notch talent, deep everywhere, but you can't help thinking that complacency and a sense of entitlement has rotted something at the core of this program. Road games @UCLA, @Missouri and @TA&M are all losable. Home games v. Oklahoma and v. OkState are losable. This may be way too high or way too low. Very unpredictable, but I'm going with a bit too low thinking they'll have a bit of a turnaround this year.)
http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2011.html
My thoughts - worthless as they may be - in parens:
1 Alabama (I don't see it. The SEC-W is brutal and have genuine questions on offense. Their schedule does work out in their favor though, they don't have any 'can't win' road games. Still, too high I think. Top ten, top five, sure, but not #1.)
2 Oklahoma (Hard to vote anyone above them. Absolutely loaded on offense and a solid defense. If they get by @FLaSt it's hard to see anyone beating them. Should be #1 and I hate to admit that because I hate Oklahoma and everyone in the whole God-forsaken state.)
3 Oregon (Too high. Lost too much on Defense. Have to play LSU in Dallas and @Stanford. They are not a good road team.)
4 Boise State (laughable and unworthy of comment. They have a 2 game season - @Georgia and v. TCU. Will win a lot of games and get their tiny cocks sucked all year.)
5 Florida State (I'm inclined to think this is pretty accurate. They are clearly heading in the right direction under Jimbo, but they might still be another year away. They've a pretty cushy schedule all year.)
6 LSU (If the Jordan Jefferson of the Cotton Bowl shows up all year, this might be a big one for LSU - but until I see it, I'm skeptical. They have an absolutely brutal road schedule this year with road trips @WestVirginia, @MissState, @Tenn, @Bama & @Mississippi. It's hard to know where to put them. Loaded with talent, but unpredictable.)
7 Stanford (A lot of talent, but not deep. Very favorable schedule. Probably about right.)
8 Nebraska (Perhaps a bit too high I think. I'm betting that they'll have some things to learn about playing in the B1G. Still have significant questions on offense and a train wreck of a head coach. @Wisconsin is probably their toughest road game of the year, but a pretty favorable schedule.)
9 Texas A&M (Too high. The press has fallen in love with QB Ryan Tannehill, but he really only had one impressive win last year v. Oklahoma and were destroyed by LSU in the Cotton Bowl. Tough road games @Oklahoma and @JerryWorld v. Razorbacks, so their schedule is decently soft catching Texas and OkState at home. Maybe this is the year, but I'm not sold yet.)
10 Oklahoma State (I'm thinking this is about right or maybe a few spots too low. They have a decent shot at being the #2 team in the B12 this year, but have a tough road schedule with games @TA&M, @Texas and @Missouri. They are going to be a tough out this year.)
11 Virginia Tech (Probably too low considering they don't play anyone and have won the last 481 ACC and Big East titles simultaneously.)
12 Notre Dame (The power of the ND brand at work as usual. Tough schedule. Too high. Way too high.)
13 Arkansas (As hard as I try, I can't be objective about this one. Probably in the neighborhood of about right. Questions about the Oline and QB have to be answered before I say this is too low. Have to prove we can beat Bama to claim much more than this. Tough schedule with road games @Bama and @LSU.)
14 Ohio State (Trying hard to be objective about this one too. @Nebraska, @Miami and @TSUN are the road games to watch. Loaded with talent, but a lot of uncertainty - coaching, suspensions, distractions, etc., so it's a fairly unpredictable situation. Probably about right at #13.)
15 South Carolina (I guess winning the SEC-E last year - in what was a very down year for that division - earns them this spot. They have some real talent and could dominate the East and still be only the 4th best team in the conference. Garcia and Lattimore are still riding last years Bama win. Rough October road schedule @MissState, @Tenn and @Arkansas. Over-rated and too high.)
16 Texas Christian (They don't play anyone, so who the fuck knows? A good team, well coached and have some talent, but their toughest game all year is @BoiseState. Too high.)
17 Wisconsin (The first half of their schedule is about as cushy as it gets. One game, v. Nebraska is the only one worth watching. The second half of their schedule is pretty decent too with the only worries being @Sparty and @tOSU. I'm looking for a fast start and a decent finish. They'll bulldoze some teams. Probably too low at #17.)
18 Georgia (Georgia has to put it together this year or Richt is history. Their schedule lines up pretty soft with the only tough road game being - well, nowhere really. Even so, this is a pretty generous spot for a team that is trending downward so sharply. They need to prove it this year.)
19 Missouri (Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of about right at #19 which is about their ceiling as a program most years. Decently tough schedule with road games @Oklahoma and @TA&M.)
20 Michigan State (It'll be hard for MSU to duplicate last years record. Road games @ND, @tOSU, @Nebraska and @Iowa. This is probably way too high.)
21 West Virginia (Basically a one game schedule with LSU coming to town. Should roll through the rest of their schedule without a lot of effort. Seeing as how it's the Big East, this is probably too high.)
22 Mississippi State (Snuck up on some folks last year, they won't do that this year. I actually look for them to regress a bit this year, but their schedule is pretty favorable with the only truly tough road game being @Arkansas. Probably about right at #22.)
23 Florida (A lot of talent, but young, inexperienced and not deep. Coaching transition. Weiss/Brantley - who knows how that's going to work out. Brantley was brutalized last year and if Weiss can straighten him out, he'll have earned his pay. Their road schedule works out pretty soft, playing @LSU being the tough one, and maybe @SoCarolina. It's easy to look at their schedule and count 5 losses though, getting the spoiled Florida fans off to a rough start with Muschamp. Too high even at #23.)
24 Southern Cal (Their depth is paper thin, but what talent they do have is outstanding. Tough games v. Stanford and @Oregon and maybe @Notre Dame. If they stay healthy, they could win 9 games. Probably too high at #24.)
25 Texas (Hard to know what to make of them. Basically a whole new coaching staff. Top notch talent, deep everywhere, but you can't help thinking that complacency and a sense of entitlement has rotted something at the core of this program. Road games @UCLA, @Missouri and @TA&M are all losable. Home games v. Oklahoma and v. OkState are losable. This may be way too high or way too low. Very unpredictable, but I'm going with a bit too low thinking they'll have a bit of a turnaround this year.)
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To me, there's always the question of how a preseason poll should be determined. If it's a prediction of what the final poll will be, that's fine, but that's not the same thing as placing teams in order of how good they are believed to be.
I think the 'guess at the final poll' method is OK, as long as those rankings are rather flexible once actual results occur, otherwise the guesses can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a top-10 team loses its first game to an unranked team in week one, they should drop like a rock and their conqueror should rise above them (if the loser is still ranked). Even if a voter believes that the team that lost is much more likely to be ranked than the team that beat them, the winning team deserves to be above the team they beat when that's the only actual game they've both played.
The method of "I'll drop a team 'x' number of spaces when they lose" early in the year bothers me, since the original preseason ranking is based solely on expectations, rather than performance.
There really should be two sets of preseason polls, one for predictions, and one for ranking teams based on how good they are perceived to be, not a guess of where they'll finish based on how easy their schedules are.
/rant
I think the 'guess at the final poll' method is OK, as long as those rankings are rather flexible once actual results occur, otherwise the guesses can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a top-10 team loses its first game to an unranked team in week one, they should drop like a rock and their conqueror should rise above them (if the loser is still ranked). Even if a voter believes that the team that lost is much more likely to be ranked than the team that beat them, the winning team deserves to be above the team they beat when that's the only actual game they've both played.
The method of "I'll drop a team 'x' number of spaces when they lose" early in the year bothers me, since the original preseason ranking is based solely on expectations, rather than performance.
There really should be two sets of preseason polls, one for predictions, and one for ranking teams based on how good they are perceived to be, not a guess of where they'll finish based on how easy their schedules are.
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Pheasant
This space for rent.
Saw31;1968687; said:That's fine and all, but there's one giant, glaring problem to this method. Appalachian State vs. M*ch*g*n...
(yes, I sometimes laugh at my own jokes. sue me.)
for a second I thought you were dane cook, then i realized he always laughs at his own jokes.
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