If your world ended on January 8, 2007, then we really can't help you over here. Try Bucknuts instead....ACDC_Rocks024;1640199; said:
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TresselstillownsTSUN
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ACDC_Rocks024;1640199; said:
If you think talent is was the problem then I don't know what to tell you. The NFL thinks we have enough talent. Stars are overrated. The staff is the BEST at coaching kids up IMO. Talent ain't the reason we lost to UF and then LSU. Try unmotivated, fat and soft against Florida. Just flat out overrated and over matched against LSU.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
SayNoToMichigan;1640285; said:
All the blame has to go to Tressel.
He coached up a draft and graduation depleted Buckeye squad into a MNC game that he had no business being in, and was one difficult TD catch from making the pucker factor really kick in for LSU.
Like I say, it was Tressel's fault.
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TresselstillownsTSUN
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Gatorubet;1640356; said:
We where overrated, IMO. Tressel did a great job getting those the guys up, he always does. We played well, just fell short. I think most OSU fans would agree that we where a little overmatched. I was just saying that recruiting has nothing to do with why we lost those games...
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k2onprimetime
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i almost threw up seeing all those kids pick florida and start gator chomping yesturday
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3074326
Proud lunatic fringe
ACDC_Rocks024;1640199; said:
You put too little faith in our player development and too much faith in the idea that all recruits are guaranteed stars.
One thing is more important than recruiting - development. We get top-tier talent no matter what this year makes you think. We'll still get top-tier talent this year. Did we get any who played in the Army All-American game? No. But we still got and will get top talent in the country.
There's a reason we have a tradition of winning. It's because we get players that fit our system and know what to do with them.
We're still Ohio State if we don't get a couple divas, or if we don't get a couple quality kids. We'll still be Ohio State if all of Florida's signees this year turn out to be beasts. We'll still have our fair-share of first round draft picks, All-Americans, All-conference players and Brian Rolles.
Don't worry. It'll be ok.
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scarletngray
Gold Pants
Just wondering what all the "sky is falling" folks on other sites would prefer. Losing out on a couple 5 star recruits or lose your Head Coach to an NFL team or for possible health reasons?
I think this was JT's sixth top five finish in nine years. Obviously he is doing something right with recruiting and player development.
GO BUCKS!!
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I think this was JT's sixth top five finish in nine years. Obviously he is doing something right with recruiting and player development.
GO BUCKS!!
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
3 losses is more BCS apperances than, what(?), 90% of schools have even been to. Let alone our 5 wins.SCBuck13;1640208; said:
Yeah. We're not a top teir program.
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sepia5
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3074326;1640405; said:
I hear what you're saying, but I would like to make one point. I think the talent you get is every bit as important--if not more important--than player development. Regardless, you've got to have both if you want to win championships. Especially when the Nick Sabans and Urban Meyers of the world are good player developers on top of being ridiculous recruiters.
I do think, by virtue of our past two recruiting classes, that we're on the cusp of comparing favorably with Alabama and UF and Texas for the next couple years. But, IMHO, we can't string together consecutive "good" classes while Meyer and Saban consistently bring in classes like they are securing yet again this year.
Let's look at this in another situation for a minute. Why did we beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl (much more convincingly than the score might suggest, by the way)? Perhaps there are a variety of reasons, but to me, it's largely because we had better players. And that can be traced directly back to our recruiting compared to Oregon's. According to Scout, here are how our recruiting classes compare over the past five years (overall class rank / average stars per recruit):
2009: OSU #1 / 3.80; Oregon #26 / 2.92
2008: OSU #4 / 3.90; Oregon #23 / 3.35
2007: OSU #15 / 3.73; Oregon #9 / 3.14 (Oregon had 29 recruits this season, we had 15)
2006: OSU #13 / 3.60; Oregon #52 / 2.70
2005: OSU #7 / 3.72; Oregon #30 / 2.74
Now, these recruiting rankings should be taken with a grain of salt; I strongly agree that if the guys that work for Scout and Rivals were really incredible talent evaluators, they'd be working for Ohio State or Oregon. But, in part, prospect rankings are based upon offer lists, and in any event, these rankings serve as a good, basic barometer for evaluating how well a program is recruiting. The numbers above are probably the #1 reason I was confident we'd beat Oregon going into the Rose Bowl. Simply put, we have routinely signed more talented players than Oregon over the course of the past five years. And that's really, really important, IMO.
So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anything you're saying, 3074326, but I think it's a mistake to devalue recruiting. It's awfully important, IMO.
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3074326
Proud lunatic fringe
I'm not devaluing it. I just know we're still going to have top-tier talent. We aren't "replacing" these guys we missed out on with D3 walk-ons.
I see what you're saying.. It would be awesome to get tons of five stars. But I'd like to see how many five stars pan out compared to how many four stars or less pan out. I bet it would be pretty interesting.
We'll be fine. That's all I'm saying.
I see what you're saying.. It would be awesome to get tons of five stars. But I'd like to see how many five stars pan out compared to how many four stars or less pan out. I bet it would be pretty interesting.
We'll be fine. That's all I'm saying.
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I'd like to devalue the importance of january recruits.
jamel turner is now regarded as insignificant, when he was an all-american before his senior year. Same with a guy like Jack Mewhort or Scott mcvey, who loses most of their cache because they aren't an army aa toying everyoen along
jamel turner is now regarded as insignificant, when he was an all-american before his senior year. Same with a guy like Jack Mewhort or Scott mcvey, who loses most of their cache because they aren't an army aa toying everyoen along
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BigJim
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You guys that keep telling yourself it's not dissapointing to lose guys like Floyd need a serious reality check. This is starting to get rediculous. It's coming from some of the posters that I personally respect the most on this site, which is all the more odd to me. Yes, OSU football will probably continue to dominate without Floyd. Yes the Floyd's of the world don't always end up 1st rounders while some 3-stars do. But if you're going to tell me it's not dissapointing to not be starting with the talent head start that Floyd would have been you're in serious denial.
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