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JoePa apologists = Pendejo
Gatorubet;1640599; said:I don't follow this stuff like LJB and others do, but I can say that a review of FSU recruiting rankings since - say - 5 years before the 2009 season - should reflect the mediocrity of FSU football the next several years. But my memory tells me that the Noles had decent recruiting hauls during those years, or at least not as dismal as their records have been during that time frame. The difference maker? Coaching. FSU failed to coach them up, failed to improve the play or draft stock of what were supposed to be some phenomenal athletes. Moreover, the lack of a family atmosphere, moral guidance and a staff that required discipline led to many of those vaunted recruits leaving due to personal or academic problems....on-line music course or no!
Less regarded athletes under the tutelage of Tressel and Co. not only would outperform FSU, they DID outperform FSU during that time period.
(Now my only problem is Jwins or LJB backing up statements that I have no data for :p)
Here you go, Gator. This is according to Scout:
Year / Class Rank / Avg. Stars(# of recruits)
FSU
2009 / 18 / 3.43(21)
2008 / 8 / 3.27(30)
2007 / 33 / 3.15(20)
2006 / 12 / 3.26(31)
2005 / 3 / 3.82(22) x
2004 / 4 / 3.23(26) y
2003 / 12 / 3.30(20) x
2002 / 6 / 3.71(21) x
Miami
2009 / 24 / 3.37(19)
2008 / 3 / 3.33(33)
2007 / 13 / 3.72(18)
2006 / 14 / 3.41 (22)
2005 / 12 / 3.76(17)
2004 / 3 / 3.35(26)
2003 / 6 / 3.48(21)*
2002 / 4 / 4.05(21)*
VaTech
2009 / 41 / 2.77(22)
2008 / 20 / 2.81(31) x
2007 / 25 / 3.00(25) x
2006 / 31 / 2.68(31)
2005 / 18 / 3.18(25) y
2004 / 26 / 2.82(22) x
2003 / 21 / 2.65(23)*
2002 / 45 / 2.20(20)*
Georgia Tech
2009 / 32 / 2.95(21) x
2008 / 37 / 2.90(20) y
2007 / 15 / 3.35(20)
2006 / 49 / 2.57(14)
2005 / 48 / 2.53(19)
2004 / 35 / 2.42(24)
2003 / 34 / 2.62(21)
2002 / 51 / 2.25(12)
UNC
2009 / 6 / 3.21(29)
2008 / 30 / 3.37(19)
2007 / 14 / 3.08(24)
2006 / 25 / 2.68(28)
2005 / 34 / 2.50(24)
2004 / 18 / 2.76(25)
2003 / 13 / 2.77(26)
2002 / 35 / 2.33(21)
* Not yet a member of the ACC
x = conference champion
y = runner up
That should give you a rough idea. Compare what VaTech and GaTech have done since 2005 with inferior recruiting classes comprising their active rosters during those years. I could well have thrown Boston College into this, too, and they would have compared favorably to FSU since the latter won its last ACC title, despite the fact that FSU had far superior recruiting classes in relevant years. But as underutilized as talent has been in Tallahassee, just look at what catastrophes have repeatedly played out in Coral Gables and Chapel Hill! Pathetic.
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