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[jwinslow]

Congratulations on arguing with people while repeating their point in the middle of your post.

 

[osubartender23]

I see what you're saying.. It would be awesome to get tons of five stars. But I'd like to see how many five stars pan out compared to how many four stars or less pan out. I bet it would be pretty interesting.
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I dont think that you really could get a fair comparison by comparing the 5 stars, to the 4 stars or lesser. There aren't nearly as many 5 star players out there as compared to the 3 star "sleepers" that I have seen many people refer to. People always say that one recruit doesnt make a difference, but it truly does. Just imagine if we wouldnt have gotten that 5 star Qb in 2008, where would we be now? Just my opinion on the situation but when you have the chance to land a potential impact player and it falls through last minute, that should be considered a loss. The recruit hasnt proven anything on the field, but 5 star recruits seem to be able to make an impact quicker than the 3 star sleepers do. This is all just my opinion of course.

 

[korchiki]

You guys that keep telling yourself it's not dissapointing to lose guys like Floyd need a serious reality check. This is starting to get rediculous. It's coming from some of the posters that I personally respect the most on this site, which is all the more odd to me. Yes, OSU football will probably continue to dominate without Floyd. Yes the Floyd's of the world don't always end up 1st rounders while some 3-stars do. But if you're going to tell me it's not dissapointing to not be starting with the talent head start that Floyd would have been you're in serious denial.

Agree completely. It is not bashing the coaches or anything of that nature. And yes I agree that most of the time the "Star" rankings are over rated. But when a kid who is considered "Unblockable" against the top level of competition out there chooses another school it is ok to be frustrated.

Will we be fine without him? Of course. But if he would have picked tOSU we would all be ecstatic. That is my only point.

 

[3074326]

You guys that keep telling yourself it's not dissapointing to lose guys like Floyd need a serious reality check. This is starting to get rediculous. It's coming from some of the posters that I personally respect the most on this site, which is all the more odd to me. Yes, OSU football will probably continue to dominate without Floyd. Yes the Floyd's of the world don't always end up 1st rounders while some 3-stars do. But if you're going to tell me it's not dissapointing to not be starting with the talent head start that Floyd would have been you're in serious denial.

I was disappointed, then I got over it. I never really had my hopes up. More of a "I'll be excited if we get this kid, but I'm not going to expect to get this kid." I've followed recruiting for a short few years. In that short time I have witnessed recruiting losses. Then I witnessed OSU see very little to no impact because other guys stepped up. It's foolish to get hung up on their every word.

I'm not in denial. We just won the dang Rose Bowl and we're a pre-season top three team!

 

[3074326]

I dont think that you really could get a fair comparison by comparing the 5 stars, to the 4 stars or lesser. There aren't nearly as many 5 star players out there as compared to the 3 star "sleepers" that I have seen many people refer to. People always say that one recruit doesnt make a difference, but it truly does. Just imagine if we wouldnt have gotten that 5 star Qb in 2008, where would we be now? Just my opinion on the situation but when you have the chance to land a potential impact player and it falls through last minute, that should be considered a loss. The recruit hasnt proven anything on the field, but 5 star recruits seem to be able to make an impact quicker than the 3 star sleepers do. This is all just my opinion of course.

I don't know where we'd be. But we missed out on "can't miss" prospects before (every year!) and we ended up as a top 5 team in a rebuilding year.

 

[Buckeye86]

Does anyone else think that 2010 could end up being a lot like 2007?

Here's an in depth review of the 2007 class courtesy of LordJeffBuck: link.

A 'bad' class this year could just be setting up a huge class next year, and Tressel knows it and is primarily focused on getting guys that he knows will be his type of players because he knows he is going to land some huge players next year.

There are a billion reasons not to freak out about recruiting, and that is just another one. Missing out on 'must get' guys this year just opens up the door for 'must get' guys next year who are a little less interested in all of the attention and a little more interested in being Buckeyes.

Anybody remember Jason Gwaltney? That was one of my first experiences in following recruiting and he was a 'must get' that all of the usual suspects were freaking out about.

Ohio State ended up missing out on him, but a few months later a kid named Beanie Wells committed to Ohio State.

It stings missing out on big name players, but recruiting goes beyond the current class.

 

[notfadeaway]

Does anyone else think that 2010 could end up being a lot like 2007?

Here's an in depth review of the 2007 class courtesy of LordJeffBuck: link.

A 'bad' class this year could just be setting up a huge class next year, and Tressel knows it and is primarily focused on getting guys that he knows will be his type of players because he knows he is going to land some huge players next year.

There are a billion reasons not to freak out about recruiting, and that is just another one. Missing out on 'must get' guys this year just opens up the door for 'must get' guys next year who are a little less interested in all of the attention and a little more interested in being Buckeyes.

Anybody remember Jason Gwaltney? That was one of my first experiences in following recruiting and he was a 'must get' that all of the usual suspects were freaking out about.

Ohio State ended up missing out on him, but a few months later a kid named Beanie Wells committed to Ohio State.

It stings missing out on big name players, but recruiting goes beyond the current class.

Great point! Im glad we had beanie instead of gwaltney

 

[sepia5]

I don't know where we'd be. But we missed out on "can't miss" prospects before (every year!) and we ended up as a top 5 team in a rebuilding year.

On the other hand, take note that we were fortunate to be "rebuilding" with a lot of 4 and 5 star talent from the '08 class this year. We even saw some 4 and 5 star talent from the '09 class get PT this season (e.g., Johnny Simon). Our rebuilding campaign may not have been as successful had this not been true. The '08 and '09 classes are truly superb and may just get us another crystal ball.

But, supposing we miss on Henderson and James and Hicks after having already missed on Floyd, Anderson and Joyner, will our rebuilding campaign in 2012 (after graduating TP, Adams, Shuggarts, Brewster, etc, and perhaps losing some others like Johnny Simon to the draft) be as successful as this season's effort? Perhaps. Maybe we'll absolutely nail a bunch of our plan B guys and they'll turn out to be first and second team All Americans. But what I'm saying is that, odds are, our chances would have been better with Floyd and Anderson and Joyner and Henderson and Hicks. Those are not only 4 and 5 star guys, they're the guys our staff wanted most.

 

[3074326]

I agree that chances would have been better. I'm not trying to brush this off like recruiting is completely worthless and we should settle for sleepers (I know you're not saying I am).

My argument is based on the results that we've gotten since Tressel was running the show. And I'm not concerned. Trust me - I would've loved to have Floyd, Anderson, etc. They look like the real deal. Especially Floyd. BUT. I'm not concerned that our program will sink into mediocrity. The staff knows what they want, and they know what they need if they don't get what they want.

 

[jwinslow]

Once again, I think our emotional attachment distorts the reality of the situation, especially with guys like Joyner.

Joyner - Meh. Very elite, but OSU produces strong DBs as if they grow on trees.

Hicks - See Joyner. Also see Homan, Rolle, Sabino, Bell, Klein, etc.

Anderson - does not belong in a discussion about supers. Very talented athlete, but stiff hipped and very undersized. Not on par with the blue-chip safeties that OSU recruits, including his teammate Bryant.

James - good lineman that we might land. Not sure he's elite, but would add good depth. I hope he's a buckeye.

Henderson - Elite player. OSU has 5-6 blue-chip linemen in the past 2 classes. He wouldn't change the talent level, he'd just make it deeper.

Floyd - the hardest to replace. Simon is a stud, and there are good youngsters like Goebel, but not any future top-10 picks unless Hankins realizes his full potential (which is a big boom/bust situation).



The only one that bugs me on this list is Floyd, and OSU recruited him as well as you could.

 

[Taosman]

If all it took to win a national championship were five star players then USC and Florida would have won every one of the BCS era games. Players help but it takes a great team effort and a little luck at the right time.

 

[TresselstillownsTSUN]

Which is it?

They where unmotivated. What happened in Glendale was a team thinking they where going to murder UF, and got murdered. The team played soft and unmotivated IMHO.

When we played LSU it was completely different....

 

[TresselstillownsTSUN]

JWins has got this one nailed. People will continue to freak out over us missing on people late in the process. We will also continue to pick up guys like Roby, OJ Johnson, Guiton, Chekwa, etc. We all continue to turn these guys into studs, and put them in the NFL.

Our football program has been fine without Ben Martian, Major Wright, Brandon Harris etc. If anything has been proven it's we win with almost whoever we put out there. Some of you will continue be freak. While I just sit back and watch us win more Big Ten titles, go to BCS games, and put kids in the league.

 

[Gatorubet]

I don't follow this stuff like LJB and others do, but I can say that a review of FSU recruiting rankings since - say - 5 years before the 2009 season - should reflect the mediocrity of FSU football the next several years. But my memory tells me that the Noles had decent recruiting hauls during those years, or at least not as dismal as their records have been during that time frame. The difference maker? Coaching. FSU failed to coach them up, failed to improve the play or draft stock of what were supposed to be some phenomenal athletes. Moreover, the lack of a family atmosphere, moral guidance and a staff that required discipline led to many of those vaunted recruits leaving due to personal or academic problems....on-line music course or no!

Less regarded athletes under the tutelage of Tressel and Co. not only would outperform FSU, they DID outperform FSU during that time period.


(Now my only problem is Jwins or LJB backing up statements that I have no data for :p)

 

[buckiprof]

I don't follow this stuff like LJB and others do, but I can say that a review of FSU recruiting rankings since - say - 5 years before the 2009 season - should reflect the mediocrity of FSU football the next several years. But my memory tells me that the Noles had decent recruiting hauls during those years, or at least not as dismal as their records have been during that time frame. The difference maker? Coaching. FSU failed to coach them up, failed to improve the play or draft stock of what were supposed to be some phenomenal athletes. Moreover, the lack of a family atmosphere, moral guidance and a staff that required discipline led to many of those vaunted recruits leaving due to personal or academic problems....on-line music course or no!

Less regarded athletes under the tutelage of Tressel and Co. not only would outperform FSU, they DID outperform FSU during that time period.


(Now my only problem is Jwins or LJB backing up statements that I have no data for :p)

Not Jwins or LJB so I can't help you there gator.

But if we look at ND, I believe that in 2006, 2007, and 2008, their classes were #5, #11, and #2 respectively. Those classes would have been seniors, juniors, and sophomores respectively for the 2009 season. Considering the favorable schedule that ND had in 2009, coupled with those recruiting classes, it is no wonder the awesome season that ND had :p

You look to good ole boy Bobby, I look to He-Who-Eclipses-the-Sun, as my example of failure to develop. And that developing talent is probably more important than what recruiting services have to say about the unproven talent.