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2010 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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gefootball10;1484124; said:
After reading through all of that chat, I didn't see Kacy Rodgers name mentioned once, I'm intrigued by the kid but does the lack of attention on here mean we don't have a shot?
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I have no info on him specifically but no, it doesn't mean that. Many times an offered prospect is hardly being talked about but ends up being a Buckeye in the end...Heyward and Sabino come to mind. Hopefully we do have a shot because he is legit.
 
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RB07OSU;1486774; said:
Swing and misses on Ware and Fiedorowicz, losing ground on Joyner...could really use some good news about right now.
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Where has it been said we are "losing ground" on Joyner? Sure, he's stated FSU is his leader, but we've been hearing that off and on from the start. Genron continues to say how much they like tOSU. We're up against one school for him, not four or five and that school has well documented issues (potential coaching change, disciplinary). I still think we're in very good position there.
 
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RB07OSU;1486774; said:
Swing and misses on Ware and Fiedorowicz, losing ground on Joyner...could really use some good news about right now.
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I think Jim Tressel is trying to put Ohio State subscription sites out of business :) Actually, I previously said (in this thread) that I was not worried about our recruiting. My only complaint was I could not understand staff's strategy but right now I think I have a better perspective on it.

Duane Long recently had a blog post about how the overall talent level seemed to be down this year. This was actually argued on this board long before he posted that but still I wanted to give him credit. I will also use an analogy to our basketball recruiting. There is a thread at scout.com that gave me this idea so some credit also goes there.

Anyway, we had two great classes last two years. We were scout.com's no.1 class last year. In this day, it is very easy to recruit negatively using that fact. Combine that with relatively weak talent level this year and a very strong 2011 class so it is easy to understand why staff kind of seems to take the year off. We had the same thing in basketball, 2009 was a weak year nationally and 2010 was very strong. We threw out some offers to some of the best 2009 prospects but overall we seemed quite content in waiting for the phenomenal 2010 class. Actually, it is also easy to skip a class in football. Anybody remembers our 2003 class? Despite that we still made two NC games.

Now, we have the same strategy going on for this class. I am very happy about our 5 commits so far. They will all at least be solid contributors. Hopefully they can all make it. We also have a great shot at:
-Rod Smith (hopefully he will make the grades)
-Christian Bryant
-Chad Hagan
-Luke Graham (hopefully him, but a QB is a lock for this class.)
-Darryl Baldwin
That makes 10. Now, rest of our offers is to the best of the best. We have a decent shot at several of them. By the law of averages we are going to get one or two of them. I'd like Jordan Hicks to be one of those. Also, I am sure we will have some more camp offers. Probably an offer to another in state lineman. We will probably have several sleeper prospects. If you consider all that, we will easily have 14-15 recruits.

Most feel we will have somewhere between 16-18 scholarships this year. I think we will have those 14 or 15 commits and wait to see if any of the best of the best will be interested for the remaining spots. A victory against USC will go a long way towards that. I read today that Luc was impressed with his Ohio State visit. You never know what will happen if we have the spotlight in a positive way after a victory like that. If not, that is fine, too. We will bank our remaining 2-3 scholarships and wait for the next year.
 
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OSU coaches are not taking it easier this year. If OSU has a down year in recruiting it won't be for lack of trying. There is no way I'm buying that the staff's strategy is to recruit the best players this year, but not hard enough for them to commit.
 
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Cinfali;1486852; said:
Anyway, we had two great classes last two years. We were scout.com's no.1 class last year. In this day, it is very easy to recruit negatively using that fact. Combine that with relatively weak talent level this year and a very strong 2011 class so it is easy to understand why staff kind of seems to take the year off. We had the same thing in basketball, 2009 was a weak year nationally and 2010 was very strong. We threw out some offers to some of the best 2009 prospects but overall we seemed quite content in waiting for the phenomenal 2010 class. Actually, it is also easy to skip a class in football. Anybody remembers our 2003 class? Despite that we still made two NC games.
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Yep and we might have won the game or not have been dominated if we had some of the '03 class available. Only having Barton as the lone upperclassmen of the '03 class hurt us both years.

I'm just thinking that we haven't really went up against any other schools and won for a recruit. Moore had no real offers, nor did Durham, and Norwell and Turner were locks. McVey is the only real "victory" I have seen so far, because he was a BC and ND lean early on. Rod Smith, Bryant, Anderson, Hagan, and Baldwin were the same, all we had to do was offer because they were already sold. Victories would have/or would include Tai-ler Jones, Nick Montana, Fiedororiwicz, Hicks, Ware, James, Joyner, or Corey Brown. We were in early on all of these guys and have/had a legit chance at them, yet we may not land 1. Sure we stand a chance to land at least one, but I don't think we will land any of them. Token offers like Luc, Benedict, Hurst, Louis, Fortt, etc. don't count as "misses" in my books because we have/had no shot in the first place. Not that talent really has to do with any of this, as I believe most of our commits/locks are great players, but I'm just saying the "victories" we got in '08+'09 were about half of both classes. In '07, options C and D were half the class and I believe this class is heading that way. We may not have a last minute meltdown but I believe a progressive meltdown is very possible.

I have said this early on and I still believe it...this class could be disappointing. Honestly, I think it could possibly not even be top 25. No fault of the staff because I honestly think it is only two factors...we have 2 excellent classes back to back and kids just don't seem that interested in us this year. I guess it's just tough to see all the other schools load up on guys we offered. In any event, I do believe we will be fine as long as we follow up with a strong '11 class and I think we will. This years class will be small, so if there was a year to be down, this is the year.
 
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RB07OSU;1483960; said:
Many times the difference between option A and option B is slight...but once we get into option C and D, then I think you start seeing the falloff.
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I disagree. Later offers do not necessarily mean that the kid is of relative C or D talent. There are thousands of HS football players, and it takes some time to see kids that weren't immediately on the OSU radar, to the extent spots remain open to make late offers.

Wasn't Cam Heyward a late offer? Hard to say he was a C or D recruit.
 
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[quote='BusNative;148717;1]I disagree. Later offers do not necessarily mean that the kid is of relative C or D talent. There are thousands of HS football players, and it takes some time to see kids that weren't immediately on the OSU radar, to the extent spots remain open to make late offers.

Wasn't Cam Heyward a late offer? Hard to say he was a C or D recruit.[/quote]

No we offered him fairly early on but slow played him while we tried to get Brent, Barksdale, Still, etc. I think he would be your option "B" guy, because we needed 2-3 DT's in that class and he was offered fairly early. I realize it takes awhile to evaluate talent but there are times when we know about kids for awhile and the reason we waited so long to offer is because there others higher on the board. The staff has known about Hendrix and Graham, yet Montana was offered first. In this instance, the staff obviously wanted Montana first, then Hendrix, then Graham. The difference between Montana and Hendrix is slight imo. Graham...I think there is a dropoff. Don't get me wrong, I still really want him here and I love that he is a legacy recruit, but we all would be lying if we said we wouldn't have preferred Montana or Hendrix (minus wad, i know he was never crazy about Hendrix). Sometimes the "fallback" options work out...other times Major Wright dominates as a freshman while the "fallback" options may never see the field. However, we generally always want the first player the staff offered.
 
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RB07OSU;1487191; said:
No we offered him fairly early on but slow played him while we tried to get Brent, Barksdale, Still, etc. I think he would be your option "B" guy, because we needed 2-3 DT's in that class and he was offered fairly early. I realize it takes awhile to evaluate talent but there are times when we know about kids for awhile and the reason we waited so long to offer is because there others higher on the board. The staff has known about Hendrix and Graham, yet Montana was offered first. In this instance, the staff obviously wanted Montana first, then Hendrix, then Graham. The difference between Montana and Hendrix is slight imo. Graham...I think there is a dropoff. Don't get me wrong, I still really want him here and I love that he is a legacy recruit, but we all would be lying if we said we wouldn't have preferred Montana or Hendrix (minus wad, i know he was never crazy about Hendrix). Sometimes the "fallback" options work out...other times Major Wright dominates as a freshman while the "fallback" options may never see the field. However, we generally always want the first player the staff offered.
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That's interesting. BP didnt even have a thread on Cam until September of 2006... if that's considered early, then we can delete all of the why-so-many-late-offers-holy-ish-the-sky-is-falling posts from BP (and maybe the millions from Scout). And Cam was a 4-star DL with something like 50 offers. Don't see what you're saying about his talent level.

Graham was a camp offer. 1) If the staff offers a scholarship to a kid immediately after seeing him in person, there is absolutely NO reason to believe that the staff thinks there is a drop off in talent, and 2) judging by how much they liked him at camp, its hard to assume that they had known enough about him before seeing him in person to make an offer. It doesn't make any sense to think that the staff would think he was, as you put it, a C or D talent one day and COMPLETELY change their mind the next. I would guess they'd do some looking around at other "A and B" talents first.
 
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RB07OSU;1487165; said:
Yep and we might have won the game or not have been dominated if we had some of the '03 class available. Only having Barton as the lone upperclassmen of the '03 class hurt us both years.

I'm just thinking that we haven't really went up against any other schools and won for a recruit. Moore had no real offers, nor did Durham, and Norwell and Turner were locks. McVey is the only real "victory" I have seen so far, because he was a BC and ND lean early on. Rod Smith, Bryant, Anderson, Hagan, and Baldwin were the same, all we had to do was offer because they were already sold. Victories would have/or would include Tai-ler Jones, Nick Montana, Fiedororiwicz, Hicks, Ware, James, Joyner, or Corey Brown. We were in early on all of these guys and have/had a legit chance at them, yet we may not land 1. Sure we stand a chance to land at least one, but I don't think we will land any of them. Token offers like Luc, Benedict, Hurst, Louis, Fortt, etc. don't count as "misses" in my books because we have/had no shot in the first place. Not that talent really has to do with any of this, as I believe most of our commits/locks are great players, but I'm just saying the "victories" we got in '08+'09 were about half of both classes. In '07, options C and D were half the class and I believe this class is heading that way. We may not have a last minute meltdown but I believe a progressive meltdown is very possible.

I have said this early on and I still believe it...this class could be disappointing. Honestly, I think it could possibly not even be top 25. No fault of the staff because I honestly think it is only two factors...we have 2 excellent classes back to back and kids just don't seem that interested in us this year. I guess it's just tough to see all the other schools load up on guys we offered. In any event, I do believe we will be fine as long as we follow up with a strong '11 class and I think we will. This years class will be small, so if there was a year to be down, this is the year.
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I must say I somewhat disagree with you. I do agree that it might be disappointing, but I think that you will be surprised.

First off you point out that we aren't getting many "wins" (yet). That's true, but who says we need them? Last year our class size was what, 25? This year it may very well be 15. So last year we could have had 13 no-wins (not sure what to call these) and 12 wins. This year we could have 13 no-wins and 2 or 3 wins, or 7 no wins and 8 or 9 wins. As long as the talent is there, I don't really care if they're "wins" or not. And it looks to me like we're gonna get a good solid number of very talented "no-win" kinda guys.. Which is fine with me.

Second off.. Obviously we might strike out on a lot of guys. Joyner, Henderson, Brown, Luc. Joyner I think we have a 40% chance. I'd say 40% us, 40% FSU, 20% anyone else. Or something like that. Other guys like Luc we have no real shot at.. Right now.. But didn't Sabino's thread get moved to the '09 forum because we had no shot at him? It happens all the time. So it might not be Luc, but it may very well be someone. And I'd say Henderson is anyone's guess, but we're just as in it as anyone else. Brown, who knows.. etc.

Plus, there are always late offers. We often have some good success with those.. And with a small class, we're probably still going to offer 2 or 3 guys real late. 3 guys out of 15 is a fifth of the class, that's a lot.

So in general I think you might be a little pessimistic.

That being said: I do agree with you that this class will probably not be as good as '08 or '09 (it really simply can't be, because of numbers). But the staff, in my opinion, is taking advantage of that fact to throw out those token offers. Obviously I would love a guy like Luc.. But I'm just glad he's coming up to camp, might take an official.. So maybe he doesn't come here (maybe he does) but maybe he has us down to his final 2 or 3 and he tells his classmates about us, all our bright sides, etc.. And in next 4 years another 2 or 3 guys visit us who wouldn't have earlier, and one of those commits. I think we're seeing a LOT of these types of offers, and it really might pay dividends down the road. Hopefully it does.
 
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