2010 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[BuckeyePride]

I search and didn't see anthing about this. but pretty cool stuff.

www.oversigning.com

This space will soon be dedicated to a full blown, in depth analysis of the practice of oversigning college football recruits, specifically the abuse of this practice.
Preliminary indications are that the teams in the SEC (and a few other programs around the country) are using this practice as a way to strengthen their depth and gain a competitive advantage. It also appears that when comparing programs, if all other things are relatively equal, such as tradition, level of talent that it can recruit, facilities, and coaching, but there is a wide gap in the recruiting numbers, the programs who run through more players seem to have better results in the W/L column. The one anomaly appears to be USC which does not oversign but only signs 4 and 5 star recruits.....​

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Coaches talking about signees:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DOsVt7o9zA"]YouTube- Jim Tressel Signing Day Press Conference Opening Remarks[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PBKBi3EQbc"]YouTube- Nick Siciliano On Taylor Graham and Jamel Turner[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEqTt3gijg"]YouTube- Taver Johnson Discusses Christian Bryant and Scott McVey[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnns8R-RTXQ"]YouTube- John Peterson Discusses Andrew Norwell and Drew Basil[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T73pf90aGvg"]YouTube- Paul Haynes discusses Bradley Roby and Verlon Reed[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsMyk2EHkg"]YouTube- Luke Fickell discusses David Durham and Chad Hagan[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzmu__scyQo"]YouTube- Jim Bollman discusses J.T. Moore and Tyrone Williams[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_AH4VHicg8"]YouTube- Jim Heacock discusses Jonathan Hankins and Darryl Baldwin[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryS_rf2rcn0"]YouTube- Darrell Hazell discusses James Louis and Corey Brown[/ame]

 

[C-busBuck]

Great stuff. can we find the clip of Doc Tressel talking about the running backs?

 

[wadc45]

2010 wrap-up

Written by Duane Long
Monday, 22 February 2010 13:01

The way things were going for awhile I was not sure when I would be able to do this blog. I want to wrap-up the 2010 class before we go full speed into 2011.

The subject of which freshmen will play early is always a topic fans are interested in. There are not alot of players who can expect to play next year. It has nothing to do with the class not being what some hoped it would be. I maintain it was a fine skill position class. It has to do with youth. This is a young roster.

The basis for projections about freshmen playing is one of two things, need or a player who is so good that he is going to force his way into the depth chart.One player who fits the former category is Drew Basil. We have Barclay coming back but I doubt many fans are going to say they have complete confidence in him. I think Basil gets an early look.

Continued...

 

[OhioState001]

No offense to Basil, Im sure he is a great kicker. But I will take the Senior who has been in the pressure situations to be my starter

 

[Hodgepodge]

No offense to Basil, Im sure he is a great kicker. But I will take the Senior who has been in the pressure situations to be my starter

Considering how short Barclay's kickoffs were, I would be pretty surprised if Basil wasn't handling that duty next season. It's possible he'd get a shot at long FGs as well.

 

[wadc45]

They certainly didn't give Devin a schollie to set on the sidelines...but I agree there could be some sort of a platoon if Drew has the leg.

 

[Meyer]

Buchanon??

 

[Buckrock]

Considering how short Barclay's kickoffs were, I would be pretty surprised if Basil wasn't handling that duty next season. It's possible he'd get a shot at long FGs as well.

You see short kickoffs in the NFL all the time. It all depends on the coverage scheme. I'm not too worried about his distance on Kick offs. I do like Barclays experience. The kick against Iowa was a huge confidence builder. Its good to have three options for the kicking game. We also do not know what walk ons will emerge. I'm sure there will be one or two the staff has targeted.

 

[DontHateOState]

You see short kickoffs in the NFL all the time. It all depends on the coverage scheme. I'm not too worried about his distance on Kick offs. I do like Barclays experience. The kick against Iowa was a huge confidence builder. Its good to have three options for the kicking game. We also do not know what walk ons will emerge. I'm sure there will be one or two the staff has targeted.

I don't care what coverage you run, Barclay's leg strength is limiting. There's a reason the coaches used Pettrey on long field goals in the Rose Bowl.

 

[Hodgepodge]

You see short kickoffs in the NFL all the time. It all depends on the coverage scheme. I'm not too worried about his distance on Kick offs. I do like Barclays experience. The kick against Iowa was a huge confidence builder. Its good to have three options for the kicking game. We also do not know what walk ons will emerge. I'm sure there will be one or two the staff has targeted.

Short kickoffs with good "hang time" are fine, but short kickoffs with small "hang times" are not. Unfotunately, that is what Barclay was providing. He was effective on field goals up to 45 or so yards, but those kickoffs need improving.

 

[billmac91]

I don't care what coverage you run, Barclay's leg strength is limiting. There's a reason the coaches used Pettrey on long field goals in the Rose Bowl.

There's also a reason our kick coverage unit gave up terrible position the last several games of the year. A short kick is fine, if the kicker has a strong enough leg to get necessary hang-time for the coverage unit to cover it. A short kick with little hang-time is asking for the ball to be placed at the 40-50 yard line....or worse.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a platoon situation. Devin showed his guts from 40 and in....it will be ineteresting to see what happens on 45 and out next year. And obviously kick coverage...

 

[matcar]

Buchanon??

Agreed, what about Ben? I know he's punting as well, but I assume he'll have the opportunity to kick as well.

 

[ScriptOhio]

HELPING THE ENEMY. Ahead of national signing day in 2010, Ohio State had room for one more player in the recruiting class, and they chose Verlon Reed (a name I would certainly forgive you if you don't remember).

Instead, the Buckeyes sent their other choice to Mark Dantonio. And he uh... had a good career.

Reed's competition was a three-star running back with limited hype and only a small handful of scholarship opportunities, a prospect who until the final stretch of his recruitment seemed destined to play in the Mid-American Conference. Ohio State liked him — just not enough to extend an offer. Instead, then-coach Jim Tressel called up then-Michigan State football coach Mark Dantonio, a former Ohio State assistant, and shared what his staff knew about the recruit.

The running back, Le'Veon Bell, would sign with the Spartans and run for 3,346 yards with 34 touchdowns across three seasons, and then blossom into one of the best players at his position in the NFL. Reed, meanwhile, would last two seasons with the Buckeyes before transferring.

"I don’t feel any regret for it," said Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell, previously a longtime Ohio State assistant at the time of Bell's recruitment. "Sometimes it’s not always the best fit where you are, or numbers-wise, or whatever. It probably helped the kid get in a lot better place and get some exposure. And you know they’re going with good people.

...

In a number of cases, however, with Bell as one notable example, the link between prospect and program is sparked by relationships between coaches, who tap into friendships and connections to trade names, insight and information on recruits. Coaches unable to make things work with a specific player — whether due to numbers, academics or otherwise — will share that knowledge with peers, with the goal of eventually finding the recruit a landing spot before signing day.

While reading this, I almost audibly said "that's an extremely Jim Tressel thing to do" just before I got to the part that says Urban Meyer did not participate in this process with the Spartans.

And I get it, from both coaches. Tressel wanted to make sure the kid he couldn't take found a good home with a coach he trusted, but Meyer had absolutely no interest in helping a conference opponent.

This is exactly why I love Luke Fickell at Cincinnati – you can funnels you can't take to Fickell with a clean conscious, knowing they're never going to bite you in the ass down the road (unless the Bearcats miraculously make the playoff, in which case, tip the cap).

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...g-for-an-xfl-title-and-dwayne-haskins-flashed

 

[ShowMeBuck]

HELPING THE ENEMY. Ahead of national signing day in 2010, Ohio State had room for one more player in the recruiting class, and they chose Verlon Reed (a name I would certainly forgive you if you don't remember).

Instead, the Buckeyes sent their other choice to Mark Dantonio. And he uh... had a good career.

Reed's competition was a three-star running back with limited hype and only a small handful of scholarship opportunities, a prospect who until the final stretch of his recruitment seemed destined to play in the Mid-American Conference. Ohio State liked him — just not enough to extend an offer. Instead, then-coach Jim Tressel called up then-Michigan State football coach Mark Dantonio, a former Ohio State assistant, and shared what his staff knew about the recruit.

The running back, Le'Veon Bell, would sign with the Spartans and run for 3,346 yards with 34 touchdowns across three seasons, and then blossom into one of the best players at his position in the NFL. Reed, meanwhile, would last two seasons with the Buckeyes before transferring.

"I don’t feel any regret for it," said Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell, previously a longtime Ohio State assistant at the time of Bell's recruitment. "Sometimes it’s not always the best fit where you are, or numbers-wise, or whatever. It probably helped the kid get in a lot better place and get some exposure. And you know they’re going with good people.

...

In a number of cases, however, with Bell as one notable example, the link between prospect and program is sparked by relationships between coaches, who tap into friendships and connections to trade names, insight and information on recruits. Coaches unable to make things work with a specific player — whether due to numbers, academics or otherwise — will share that knowledge with peers, with the goal of eventually finding the recruit a landing spot before signing day.

While reading this, I almost audibly said "that's an extremely Jim Tressel thing to do" just before I got to the part that says Urban Meyer did not participate in this process with the Spartans.

And I get it, from both coaches. Tressel wanted to make sure the kid he couldn't take found a good home with a coach he trusted, but Meyer had absolutely no interest in helping a conference opponent.

This is exactly why I love Luke Fickell at Cincinnati – you can funnels you can't take to Fickell with a clean conscious, knowing they're never going to bite you in the ass down the road (unless the Bearcats miraculously make the playoff, in which case, tip the cap).

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...g-for-an-xfl-title-and-dwayne-haskins-flashed