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2010 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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MililaniBuckeye;1654752; said:
USC had the #1 recruiting class (Rivals) for the 2003, 2004, and 2006 classes (their 2005 class was #6). They finished 11-2 and ranked #4 in both major polls for the 2006 season with those four classes. You'd figure that with three #1 recuiting classes and a #6 class a team should win the national title with little trouble.

We went 11-2 and finished #5 in both major polls this past season with the #13, #16, #4, and #1 recruiting classes (again, Rivals). The results are pretty comensurate for the rankings of the classes we had on board.

There are two main ways of looking at this: 1.) We developed talent significantly better than did USC, or 2.) Recruiting rankings are not very accurate in racking-and-stacking individual talent. Regardless, this class should help us out over the next four years better than many "experts" expect.
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Well, yeah, there is the 3rd way to read that too... which is the one that I think is always missed... (and forgive me for not actually checking the numbers) but, if you take those 4 USC classes, it probably comprises something like 85-95 guys, and you can only get 22 plus Special teams on the field at a time really. I mean.... if Oregon had to play USC 85 on 85 last year... USC probably kicks their rear... but, its 11 on 11 at a time.

Kind of like back in '02 when Texas and us were dueling it out for the #1 class, or Texas got the #1 class or whatever, and we were all sitting here thinking, "Great, but, you have 11 defensive lineman"

(The other problem is, of course, with too much talent, you never have too many seniors... etc, etc, etc... )
 
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I don't think that it has so much to do with the "soft-sell" approach as it does to last memorable performance. The guys we really wanted, we missed to teams like Florida, USC, and Texas. Those team names sound familiar?

My opinion is that if we win a title, and beat teams like those in the process, then we will start getting those recruits. But, to get there, we are going to stay the course and keep winning with the kids who have always wanted to be buckeyes in their heart of hearts. Those are the kids that will go the distance for your school, and those are the kids that you build the foundation of a National Championship with. 2011 is going to be a great year in recruiting for us, because many of those foundation kids are also going to be All Americans.
 
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matcar;1654844; said:
Yes, that IS what's being bantered about, but as HotMic and others have VERY CLEARLY described, that is more than just a pattern, it's the way it's always going to be with JT. It's part of the process and is part of what makes the staff successful with the program in a larger sense..
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The thing is I disagree with this. JT himself said yesterday that they wanted to take 20 kids and they would have been very happy with 19, but that they have a solid group of 18 kids coming in. I dont think missing out on recruits late is "part of the process". I think that it is what happens when the staff believes they are going to come out on top with certain recruits to be informed differently at the last minute. I think the program is successful in spite of this.

matcar;1654844; said:
The kids that decide late, frequently aren't a good fit for the program. If they are sold by the lights of LA, or by Godly messages delivered to coaches, well, they aren't a good fit. Meanwhile the program rocks on with annual performances that only the worst of fans wouldn't be proud of.
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So if these kids arent typically a good fit, then why does the staff continue to recruit them? They obviously think that these kids would be a great fit for the team or they wouldnt have offered them in the first place.

matcar;1654844; said:
So, if a fan gets his hopes up each year for the late decisions and is let down, then that's the fan's pattern and problem. With JT, the lack of landing the late decision makers isn't so much pattern as process. It's part of the overall design of who he is and what he's selling.
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So you really think that Tressel has an "overall design" and missing out on recruits late in the game is part of it? Really? If this is who he is then wouldnt he stop recruiting these recruits and settle for who he already has committed? I dont think there is a doubt in anyones mind that the staff wanted to take a full class of 20 yesterday. It didnt happen though so they settled for the solid class that they have in the fold. Nothing wrong at all with the class that we have landed, it just wouldnt have been a bad thing to be able to close out on some of this top national talent that we consistently lose out on late in the game.
 
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RB07OSU;1654841; said:
That's the only problem, we didn't miss on a "couple"...I listed 18 good ones that we had a shot at, which oddly enough is the same number we actually have in this class. There are even more offers that didn't pan out to legitimate interest as well. The big misses weren't confined to last week only. I tend to agree with you overall analysis but it never seems to effect USC, Florida, Alabama, etc. that they pull in two or three consecutive top 5 classes. We just had a down year, I'm over it and 2011 will be huge.
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You could list 18 good ones that any program misses out on every year; there's hundreds of future stars out there and nobody gets everyone they offer. For the most part we knew who we weren't getting awhile ago: Floyd and Henderson and Moses are really the only ones we missed out here at the end, and yes we'd love to have any of them, but as has been said if we didn't know they were that close we'd never miss them anyway. Calling this a down year is just an opinion, one that we don't all share.
 
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I wonder how many kids will be lining up to play at Fl and TX next year with all that 5 star talent ahead of them on the depth chart....maybe the Bucks can snag some players down there who want to play sooner.
 
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osubartender23;1654860; said:
The thing is I disagree with this. JT himself said yesterday that they wanted to take 20 kids and they would have been very happy with 19, but that they have a solid group of 18 kids coming in. I dont think missing out on recruits late is "part of the process". I think that it is what happens when the staff believes they are going to come out on top with certain recruits to be informed differently at the last minute. I think the program is successful in spite of this.



So if these kids arent typically a good fit, then why does the staff continue to recruit them? They obviously think that these kids would be a great fit for the team or they wouldnt have offered them in the first place.



So you really think that Tressel has an "overall design" and missing out on recruits late in the game is part of it? Really? If this is who he is then wouldnt he stop recruiting these recruits and settle for who he already has committed? I dont think there is a doubt in anyones mind that the staff wanted to take a full class of 20 yesterday. It didnt happen though so they settled for the solid class that they have in the fold. Nothing wrong at all with the class that we have landed, it just wouldnt have been a bad thing to be able to close out on some of this top national talent that we consistently lose out on late in the game.
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Thank you.

People are coming close to sounding like scUM fans with this "they weren't a good fit anyway" routine. If they weren't a good fit or the type of kids JT wants on his team then they wouldn't have had offers. They were wanted by this staff and if they had decided on OSU we would welcome them with open arms. Missing out on all the kids we came close on stinks. Period. That's life.

Now, as I see it, people have a couple of choices. They can either go join Urban on his sabbatical from all the stress and pressure of things not going their way.

They can ride off into some fantasy world on a scarlet and gray unicorn where nothing bad ever really happens, bad offense and missing on recruits are actually just part of JT's master plan (as he is the creator of this particular universe many like to escape to)

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you just admit JT is human and as fallible as the rest of us (but there is no one else we want in charge of our team flaws and all), Buckeye nation just took one on the chin (but in the grand scheme of things it wasn't much of a shot), hope everyone learns from it and get ready for spring ball, the upcoming season and the next round of high school hot shots in 2011.

I personally don't like Urban enough to take a leave of absence with him and I never learned to ride a unicorn. When does spring practice start?
 
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Hodgepodge;1654528; said:
--The Texas approach. Texas, obviously gets most of its commitments well before the season starts (expect ten or so commitments for Texas within the next month). As such, they can cherry-pick top recruits the rest of the year, focus on juniors the rest of the year, and not have to deal much with kids who decide late in the season. Would Tressel be well served to adopt this approach given the troubles getting many of those kids who decide late? I understand that Texas and OSU are different inasmuch as the number of top recruits in each state is different, but I suppose it could work at OSU to one degree or another.
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I would not be surprised to see OSU's 2011 class have a "Texas feel" to it...
 
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Jaxbuck;1654887; said:
Thank you.

People are coming close to sounding like scUM fans with this "they weren't a good fit anyway" routine. If they weren't a good fit or the type of kids JT wants on his team then they wouldn't have had offers. They were wanted by this staff and if they had decided on OSU we would welcome them with open arms. Missing out on all the kids we came close on stinks. Period. That's life.

Now, as I see it, people have a couple of choices. They can either go join Urban on his sabbatical from all the stress and pressure of things not going their way.

They can ride off into some fantasy world on a scarlet and gray unicorn where nothing bad ever really happens, bad offense and missing on recruits are actually just part of JT's master plan (as he is the creator of this particular universe many like to escape to)

or

you just admit JT is human and as fallible as the rest of us (but there is no one else we want in charge of our team flaws and all), Buckeye nation just took one on the chin (but in the grand scheme of things it wasn't much of a shot), hope everyone learns from it and get ready for spring ball, the upcoming season and the next round of high school hot shots in 2011.

I personally don't like Urban enough to take a leave of absence with him and I never learned to ride a unicorn. When does spring practice start?
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Amen and to answer your question..NOT SOON ENOUGH!!
 
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I get the impression that, knowing this was going to be a small class, OSU locked in their needs as best they could and were willing to stretch the class to add as many of the no-brainer nationally ranked guys as they could get. The implication there is that there didn't need to be/couldn't be a "backup plan", as the only targets remaining were "unique talents".

One way that recruiting rankings fail is that they tend to follow a similar model as, say, the US men's national basketball team; Everybody is a superstar, but there are no role-players.
 
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Question regarding offers per commit

Read this in an internal email:

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Here?s some examples from the Rivals top 10 using the number of offers that Rivals claims a school has given:

#1 Florida: 135 offers for 28 commits (4.8 offers per commit)
#2 USC: 74 offers for 19 commits (3.9)
#3 Texas: 33 offers for 25 commits (1.3)
#4 Auburn: 129 offers for 32 commits (4.0)
#5 Alabama: 119 offers for 26 commits (4.6)
#6 LSU: 94 offers for 29 commits (3.2)
#7 Oklahoma: 119 offers for 29 commits (4.1)
#8 UCLA: 124 offers for 24 commits (5.2)
#9 Tennessee: 242 offers for 25 commits (9.7)
#10 Florida State: 172 offers for 24 commits (7.2)
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Any idea what tOSU's ratio looks like? I am guessing something like 4...
 
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