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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

OSU's 02,03,and 05 teams were the best under Tressel. We should have been back to back NC's in 02 and 03. I agree that the 2006 defense played way over their heads. Not to many teams can lose 9 defensive starters and field a defense that good the following year...like JWins said they overachieved on defense.
 
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Hey Jwinslow,

You think RR will start to use some two slot formations? As already noted, there are quite a few slots on the team. I remember reading an article a while back that was talking about why RR needs so many WRs in his offense and makes sense of the WR commitment barrage that was earlier this year. I'll try to dig that up; it was an interesting read.
 
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Here you go, I found it.

Whence All the Receivers?


Where are all these receivers coming from?
Many have noticed, and begun commenting, on Rich Rodriguez’s apparent stockpiling of receivers. This has been addressed a bit by Brian on the recruiting board, but I thought I’d go into a little more depth to explain why every RR is building up bodies at the position.
The depth chart looks awful large. Once the 2010 commitments step on campus, the receiver corps will include Martavious Odoms, Terrance Robinson, Jeremy Gallon, Darryl Stonum, Junior Hemingway, JeRon Stokes, Roy Rountree, Thomas Gordon, Ricardo Miller, Toney Clemons, Jeremy Jackson, James Rogers, Jerald Robinson, and likely Justin Feagin. That’s 14 receivers, with only Clemons in his final year. And don’t forget there’s still four scholarship players, Kevin Koger, Brandon Moore, Martell Webb and Steve Watson, at tight end. That’s 18 pairs of hands to feed. How is he going to do it?

THE SLOT
Rodriguez’s offense, is, of course, different than that previously used at Michigan. One important distinction is the position of Slot Receiver. RR likes to have a scat-back type of player here with a slightly different skill set than your prototypical wideout. Size and leaping ability are secondary for a slot receiver to speed and agility. Circus catches aren’t as necessary, since most routes are short. The slot is meant to catch the ball in space, then make defenders miss. Odoms, Terrance Robinson, Jeremy Gallon, and, if he moves, Feagin fit this mold. Last year, Odoms pretty much dominated this spot, but that’s not typical of RR’s West Virginia offenses. Rather, Odoms got so many balls because once Robinson went down, he was the only man standing. Starting next year, I think you’re going to see a two-man rotation in the slot, with another man always ready to go for depth at an injury-magnet position.

TIGHT ENDs
In case this recruiting season didn’t clue you in, Rich Rodriguez is phasing out the Tight End position. I imagine, so long as he has Koger, the position will remain in the offense quite regularly through 2011. But come 2012, I wouldn’t be surprised to see just one or two Tight Ends on the roster for a change of pace, or goal-line situations.

WIDEOUTS
That leaves Stonum, Hemingway, Stokes, Rountree, Gordon, Miller, Clemons, Jackson, Rogers, and J. Robinson. For one, we can imagine Gordon moving to linebacker, although this isn’t a given; since he was offered as a receiver, and unlike Feagin there hasn’t been mention from the coaches as to a positional change, I’m gonna consider him part of the receiver corps.
That gives us 10 pure receivers on the 2010 roster, all of them options. First of all, you’ll see some redshirts on some 2010 freshmen, probably J. Robinson and Jackson. Now we have eight. Eight is still a lot. And eight is actually what we’ll need!

THE SPREAD’S NOT JUST FOR RUNNING
Rodriguez’s offense at W.Va. was mostly about the run, particularly once the astounding legs of White and Slaton and Devine arrived. But I’m going to postulate, based on the recruiting focus since he got here, that plans are to make the passing game a greater part of the expected offensive output.
The formation I believe we’ll see more and more from Rodriguez will be the one-back, 4-wide. This includes a slot, and three wideouts. In a running-based spread, the wideouts head out on routes designed to open up space for the tailback, quarterback or slot receiver to function in. So long as they are all threats 1-on-1, they have to be guarded.
But other programs that use the spread have done a better job incorporating receivers. Brian commented this year that it sometimes seems like the receivers were running random routes – anything to get the secondary away from the ball. This was highly ineffective, especially since we didn’t have a quarterback who could get the ball to these guys.
I trust Brian in most things, but from everything I’ve seen of RR, if his receiving scheme was basically saying “get open,” then it wasn’t by design so much as he had other areas to focus on.

TALENT ATOP OF TALENT
This year, you can’t fault RR if the passing game wasn’t his primary focus. New team, new scheme, yada yada, but the talent really wasn’t there. Threet didn’t have enough time to pick apart a defense, nor was the redshirt freshman prepared by experience to fully utilize their talents. There wasn’t a true go-to receiver as we’ve had in past years. Greg Mathews was the most trustworthy pair of hands. After that, Stonum was a true freshman and played like one. Hemingway had mono. Roundtree was waiting for his muscles to grow onto his 6’3 frame. Clemons had catching issues.
 
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blueinfla;1495993; said:
Hey Jwinslow,

You think RR will start to use some two slot formations? As already noted, there are quite a few slots on the team. I remember reading an article a while back that was talking about why RR needs so many WRs in his offense and makes sense of the WR commitment barrage that was earlier this year. I'll try to dig that up; it was an interesting read.

1 back gun in double slot is a nasty formation. It is essentially a spread-flexbone. Endless motion possibilities and you can run everything from empty 5-wide to midline to base veer. I'm a fan of this formation and its possibilities...imagine a DC's nightmare when you can run so much without the substitutions. A defense has to work a 2 shell to help on the run and to avoid the 3 deep look that just invites 4 verticals.
 
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osugrad21;1496016; said:
1 back gun in double slot is a nasty formation. It is essentially a spread-flexbone. Endless motion possibilities and you can run everything from empty 5-wide to midline to base veer. I'm a fan of this formation and its possibilities...imagine a DC's nightmare when you can run so much without the substitutions. A defense has to work a 2 shell to help on the run and to avoid the 3 deep look that just invites 4 verticals.

Sounds pretty sweet. Is Run-and-Shoot another variation?
 
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blueinfla;1496020; said:
Cool, happy b-day man.
Thanks. Grad covered it well...

The only thing I'd add is UM has a lot of guys who could line up at either RB or slot. Gallon, Toussaint, Smith & others could work at either position... they could run a number of sets with the exact same personnel.
 
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DontHateOState;1496051; said:
Well, we shall see soon enough. I thought he was a huge Michigan lean for a long time, but some MSU guys are pretty confident in him. Should be interesting.

It appears he has an announcement date of next Wednesday, the 15th. I thought he was an MSU lock from the beginning because of his brothers and parents, but he has named Michigan his leader for a while now. I haven't really been hearing any different. The only stuff I've heard was after Hill committed, and that Dantonio is dominating in-state recruiting AGAIN. :! Anyway, I think he's moved up his decision date because he realizes UM isn't going to hold a spot for him. They are still in on Clements and Gainer.
 
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Anyway, I think he's moved up his decision date because he realizes UM isn't going to hold a spot for him.
That doesn't really make much sense.

If UM isn't going to hold a spot for him to commit later, then I could understand committing to sparty later, after sticking by him. If he's going to commit now, who cares whether they hold a spot for him down the road?
 
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Current recruiting trends indicate RR is working on the 5-6 where he has 5 OL and six slot receivers.

The Center picks up the ball on the fumblerooski and just picks his man.

Next year he will work on phasing out the two tackle spots.
 
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jwinslow;1496178; said:
That doesn't really make much sense.

If UM isn't going to hold a spot for him to commit later, then I could understand committing to sparty later, after sticking by him. If he's going to commit now, who cares whether they hold a spot for him down the road?

Well, if White really wants to be at UM, and there is only one, maybe two spots left, I could understand him wanting to jump on board soon, especially if that number is one.
 
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