2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[BuckeyeNation27]

No. 57 on the NY Times quad countdown.

I just came here to post this.

Actually, I just came here to post this: I checked "The Quad" for the first time in a long time to see where they were at, and I saw #56 Western Michigan. I remembered that Michigan was playing a couple directional Michigan teams this year, so I scrolled down to see if their schedule was posted. And then I saw #57.

And then I laughed.

 

[mooktarr]

Question #1)

Nothing says "small time" more than:
a) A Gatorade shower during a 3-9 season
b) Having Rich Rodriguez as your coach
c) Losing recruiting battles to Tulsa and IU
d) all of the above

You photoshopped that picture didn't you? No way that RR got gatoraded last year unless it was to celebrate the season being over.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You photoshopped that picture didn't you? No way that RR got gatoraded last year unless it was to celebrate the season being over.

Well They only won 3 games last year and one of those was on the road so that kind of narrows it down as to when that act of douchebaggery was captured on film.

It was either a celebration of destroying a 2-10 Miami of Ohio team by 10 points or celebrating the biggest choke job in Wisconsin football history and the boundless joy of doubling their home win total in a single game.

 

[NFBuck]

You photoshopped that picture didn't you? No way that RR got gatoraded last year unless it was to celebrate the season being over.

IIRC, that was after Wiscy shit the bed against them, and moments before their goofy asses (and their goofy fans) started talking Big-10 title.

Either way, it's a Gatorade shower...after beating Wiscy...ON YOUR HOME FIELD.

 

[jwinslow]

GBW board claiming (via myspace) that Gallon has qualified... which will surely be pinned on the premium board soon.

Many have Gallon pegged as the starter this fall at slot-dot. Odoms was the offensive star (and only receiver) by default last fall, imo.

No word on Turner. Perhaps that's the guy RR mentioned might not qualify.

 

[blueinfla]

GBW board claiming (via myspace) that Gallon has qualified... which will surely be pinned on the premium board soon.

Many have Gallon pegged as the starter this fall at slot-dot. Odoms was offensive star by default last fall, imo.

No word on Turner. Perhaps that's the guy RR mentioned might not qualify.

That's great news, glad he made it.

 

[blueinfla]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019&t=4484601
No word on Turner. Perhaps that's the guy RR mentioned might not qualify.

Here's the word on Turner from mgoblog:

Turner still has to pass one section of the goofy Ohio exit exam, which should be formality now that he gives a crap. At least, I'd hope so. I took an equivalent back in the day and it's tough for anyone with opposable thumbs to fail those things.

Haha, love that last sentence.

 

[goblue15]

Jwinslow I think Rod was more worried about Gallon qualifying than Turner... either way Michigan fans cant say **** to any other schools about academic admissions because it looks like Turner will be coming here with a "Certificate."

 

[Jaxbuck]

Jwinslow I think Rod was more worried about Gallon qualifying than Turner... either way Michigan fans cant say **** to any other schools about academic admissions because it looks like Turner will be coming here with a "Certificate."

Trust me, it won't stop them.

 

[NFBuck]

Question: If they upset WMU, will they douse the DickRod and/or rush the field?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Question: If they upset WMU, will they douse the DickRod and/or rush the field?

We'll never know

 

[Jaxbuck]

I was just wondering how you guys felt about it. If you want to call it underachieving so be it. I would call what UM was doing underachieving. UM has had top talent for a long time, and nothing to show for it.

Perhaps it's the recent losses in the BCS which are clouding my memory about OSU. No doubt OSU has been successful in the big ten, and therefore, getting into BCS games. What is JTs record in those games? I think OSUs perception has taken a pretty big hit. Obviously not as bad as UMs has because of '08. However, down here in Florida, I never get hounded by SEC fans. Despite the 3-9 year, they know UM will be back and they remember UMs history against the SEC. I know JT is accomplished, but he has had great talent to do it with. I guess what I was asking was whether you guys felt OSU was underachieving. I feel like I'm rambling, but does that make sense?

I think USCs problem has been that they've been screwed by the BCS, probably more than any other team. However, they've dismantled their bowl opponent every year. Despite the lack of NCs, I would say they're the best program this decade and I'm sure many would agree.

I don't think we have underachieved based on JT's total body of work.

I feel like we didn't play our best in the 2006 NC game and got our head handed to us because of it. The 2007 and 2008 teams just weren't as good as people thought imo. I had some knock down drag out stuff on here last summer with other OSU fans on that subject. After the USC debacle last year I don't think even the most hardcore "only say positive things" type OSU fan will argue that the big game OOC losses are a problem.

So in terms of NC's do I feel we "underachieved"? Yeah a little. I'd be lying if I said I was happy with 1 for 3. Then again you are in pretty elite company when you play for 3 of them.

Overall in terms of everything JT has changed about the program from the last coach I wouldn't trade him for any other coach in America. No one is a better overall fit for OSU and the state of Ohio than JT.

P.S. I have a thread called "Some BCS facts for your SEC friends" it has some numbers to help you with the SEC fans you run into down here but overall I'd say just don't waste your time. UF killed OSU in 2006 and thats as far as they want to go with it.

 

[jwinslow]

I was just wondering how you guys felt about it. If you want to call it underachieving so be it. I would call what UM was doing underachieving. UM has had top talent for a long time, and nothing to show for it.

To expand on this... UM has a laundry list of players who emerge very late in their career, or not until after they leave UM. UM has been an attractive school for many drafts because there are many with untapped potential.

I'd argue that OSU has been on the other end of the spectrum in that regard. You don't see many OSU players slide in the draft, only to go on and overachieve in the league. There have been some late first rounders that became special players, but you don't see the same trend at OSU of 2nd-3rd rounders that do big things like from UM. If anything, there are more standouts that may have plateaued at OSU. Guys like Carpenter, Hawk, Gholston etc that may have squeezed out every drop of their potential, but did not improve much on the next level.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think USCs problem has been that they've been screwed by the BCS, probably more than any other team. However, they've dismantled their bowl opponent every year. Despite the lack of NCs, I would say they're the best program this decade and I'm sure many would agree.

I'm sure many at ESPiN/ABC would agree. Not so sure of anyone outside of that.

The BCS hasn't screwed them, they've screwed themselves and don't even get me started on the home field advantage they have in dismantling "Bowl" opponents.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I was just wondering how you guys felt about it. If you want to call it underachieving so be it. I would call what UM was doing underachieving. UM has had top talent for a long time, and nothing to show for it.

I don't think anyone around these parts thinks that OSU has underachieved. See Jax's post. It seems to me that you're trying to take what you perceive to be a dig at UM's recruiting and turn it into an argument that goes something like, "Well, UM underachieved with Carr, so at least we did something about it by hiring RR. By the way, isn't OSU similarly underachieving with Tressel?" Let me clear something up--UM hasn't even been in the same zip code as OSU since 2001 when Tressel arrived.

Perhaps it's the recent losses in the BCS which are clouding my memory about OSU.

Or perhaps it's that you choose to ignore Tressel's accomplishments (1 NC, 7-1 record against UM, multiple BCS wins, multiple Big Ten titles, etc.) in an effort to make you feel better about what has happened (and what is currently happening) in Ann Arbor.

I think OSUs perception has taken a pretty big hit.

Amongst the uninformed, maybe. I think this article is worth a read for you.
Scout.com: 7/8 Roundtable - Who's The Bigger BCS Bust?

However, down here in Florida, I never get hounded by SEC fans. Despite the 3-9 year, they know UM will be back and they remember UMs history against the SEC.

Do you really think that you don't get hounded because people down there "know UM will be back?" I doubt there's much talk down there about any 3-9 team. Seems much more likely that you don't get hounded down there because UM isn't even on the map when it comes to serious college football discussion.

I know JT is accomplished,

Apparently you don't.

I guess what I was asking was whether you guys felt OSU was underachieving. I feel like I'm rambling, but does that make sense?

Yes, it makes perfect sense--you're grasping at straws trying to find a problem with a team that has proven itself to be one of the top five in college football over the past decade.

I think USCs problem has been that they've been screwed by the BCS, probably more than any other team.

Why have they "been screwed by the BCS?" Because they can't get it done on the field against the likes of UCLA, Oregon State, and mighty Stanford?

Despite the lack of NCs, I would say they're the best program this decade and I'm sure many would agree.

So is that the relevant comparison here? OSU is underachieving because it isn't "the best program this decade?" If only you held your own lowly 3-9 team to the same standard.