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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

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Adding to JWins comments re: why the BE may have a better bowl record... it's not just that the B10 2nd place gets a 10 win Texas team to play, or what not. It's that the Big 10 has consistently (rightly, or wrongly) had 2 BCS teams... thus knocking every other B10 team up a peg, to a bowl that they "don't belong" in.

Big East has never sent 2 teams, I don't think. That being so, they aren't playing "up" in all the "lesser" bowls.

Edit: To be clear, I am not arguing that this is an excuse for the Big Ten's losing bowl performance.. I'm simply saying it is a factor which may be relevant to the result.
 
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It really hasn't been that long since the Big-10 was the best. '05 it was probably the best. It massively underachieved in the bowls but still had great wins over Auburn(who UW was a heavy underdog to), FSU(ok, not that great but still a BCS win), and Ntre Ame.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1447416; said:
Adding to JWins comments re: why the BE may have a better bowl record... it's not just that the B10 2nd place gets a 10 win Texas team to play, or what not. It's that the Big 10 has consistently (rightly, or wrongly) had 2 BCS teams... thus knocking every other B10 team up a peg, to a bowl that they "don't belong" in.

Big East has never sent 2 teams, I don't think. That being so, they aren't playing "up" in all the "lesser" bowls.
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Yeah when I typed that I was just thinking of Louisville and WV winning their bowl games several years ago. When WV played Georgia in Atlanta for the Sugar Bowl everybody thought WV didn't belong. WV shut up everybody and WV prevented them from the SEC SEC chant. Everybody thought the Sooners and their big line would dominate the WV little guys but they were wrong as well.

Big East isn't great, however it's not as horrible as people make it out to be. Kelly is also doing a solid job for Cincy.
 
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zwem;1447360; said:
Miles was the guy I wanted and he might be at Michigan some time in the future. So if RR is fired you hope that Miles is hired as the coach? That is really weird coming from a buckeye considering Miles is one of the best coaches in the country and can win big time games.

I wouldn't say the BE is JV compared to the Big Ten. The Big Ten hasn't had a winning bowl record as a conference since 2002 while the Big East has performed well in bowl games.The Big Ten hasn't won a Rose bowl since the 99 season.

Is the big ten better than the big east?......it probably is, but I wouldn't say it's that much better.
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I was really hoping UM would hire Gary Pinkel from Missouri. I was a big fan of his when he was at Toledo. The transition from Lloyd to Pinkel wouldn't have been as rough as the Lloyd to RR transition has. Anyway, Pinkel has a great thing going at Mizzou but I would have loved to see him at UM.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1447416; said:
Adding to JWins comments re: why the BE may have a better bowl record... it's not just that the B10 2nd place gets a 10 win Texas team to play, or what not. It's that the Big 10 has consistently (rightly, or wrongly) had 2 BCS teams... thus knocking every other B10 team up a peg, to a bowl that they "don't belong" in.

Big East has never sent 2 teams, I don't think. That being so, they aren't playing "up" in all the "lesser" bowls.

Edit: To be clear, I am not arguing that this is an excuse for the Big Ten's losing bowl performance.. I'm simply saying it is a factor which may be relevant to the result.
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I agree with that. Also, UM being down didn't help the conference either. UM not making a big bowl forced those teams up a notch as well.
 
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blueinfla;1447321; said:
What has he done untrustworthy since he got to UM? Again, I don't care about how he got there, that stuff happens in college football.
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First you say that you will trust Dickwad until there is a reason not to.

It was pointed out to you that his leaving WVU, trying to avoid the little $4 million clause in his contract, was a damn strong indictment on Dickwad not being trustworthy.

So you change your stance to the above quote.

I guess that means that you believe a grown man who has shown that he is not trustworthy, does not want to honor terms in a contract, can suddenly, miraculously, become a beacon of trustworthiness?!? IMO, to believe that such a metamorphosis can happen, involves one of the following: (1) Naivete; (2) Head in sand behavior; or (3) Typical skunkbear fan bullshit.

I vote for (3) since it is the one consistency over the years.

The only item you are correct on is that coaches do leave jobs for other jobs. However, what you fail to acknowledge is that these other coaches who do that seem to honor the buyout part of the old contract one way or another. Maybe that is because these other coaches have at least one honorable bone in their body, unlike that hair-plugged, douchenozzle you have as your coach.
 
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The strength of a conference isn't measured by its best teams, as seen by the pac-10. Sure, WVU proved doubters wrong, but RR never faced WVU either. As for OU, this year was the first time in awhile that they didn't lay a big egg in bcs bowl games.

I think WVU could play with almost anyone (I have my doubts about USC) for 1 week. It's a question of whether they could handle the pounding of big ten defenses week after week, like what UM will face after their bye week in 09.
 
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Oh I like Zwem...shoot I have alot of Michigan fans that are friends. I just can't believe how Beaver over on GBW have some of their fans drinking the Koolaid.

I do agree that 2002 and 2005 were banner years for the B10. I think something that hurts the B10 when it comes to bowl record is that we usually have 2 BCS teams and most/all the games are played in the other teams home state/region. I sure would love to play our bowl games in Columbus/Ohio every year...cough...USC...cough...Miami...cough...LSU...cough...Florida. 2007 we played 7 of our 8 bowl games in the opponents home state.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1447416; said:
Adding to JWins comments re: why the BE may have a better bowl record... it's not just that the B10 2nd place gets a 10 win Texas team to play, or what not. It's that the Big 10 has consistently (rightly, or wrongly) had 2 BCS teams... thus knocking every other B10 team up a peg, to a bowl that they "don't belong" in.
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blueinfla;1447431; said:
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I agree with that. Also, UM being down didn't help the conference either. UM not making a big bowl forced those teams up a notch as well.
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I made a post a while back addressing what the B10 bowl schedule would look like if those those two things had not happened last year.

(I apologize to the UM fans in this thread for the not-so-nice things I said about your team in that post. :lol:)

Bucky Katt;1378189; said:
In addition to the impact of having two teams in the BCS, I'd also say the precipitous decline of a usually strong program really hurts the conference. If UM was their "usual" self (9-3, 10-2) instead of the awful team they were this season, teams like MSU and NW would have been just as mediocre, but would have been knocked down a tier in the bowl system. The almost instantaneous collapse hasn't given the other B10 teams time to fill in the gap, so we end up with mediocre teams finishing in the top 3 or 4 of the conference and playing in bowl games they have no business playing in.

Playing the always fun hypothetical game, let's assume for one moment that UM didn't suck this season. Strike that, they always suck. :biggrin: Let's assume they sucked in their usual sucky way instead of this new-fangled spread suck system.

ACTUAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Fiesta Bowl
Michigan State 6-2 (9-3) - Capital One Bowl
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - Outback Bowl
Northwestern 5-3 (9-3) - Alamo Bowl
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - The WhoCares.com Bowl
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - The NoSeriously...WhoGivesAShit.com? Bowl
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 2-6 (4-8)
Michigan 2-6 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Michigan, as a less-sucky team, beats Utah, Notre Dame, and Toledo OOC. In conference, they still lose to OSU and Penn State. Knowing their issues with mobile QB's, let's say they lose to Illinois, too. But they would usually beat Michigan State, Purdue, and Northwestern. Re-calculating the standings, we get this:

HYPOTHETICAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl vs. USC
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Fiesta Bowl vs. UT
Michigan 5-3 (9-3) - Capital One vs. UGA
Michigan State 5-3 (8-4) - Outback vs. USC
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - Alamo vs. Missouri
Northwestern 4-4 (8-4) - Champs Sports vs. FSU
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - Insight vs. Kansas
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - Motor City Bowl vs. MAC
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 1-7 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Even with two BCS bids, the B10 would have MUCH better match-ups than they did this season.

Hell, if you add back a good UM team and only give the B10 one BCS bowl, it's even better....

HYPOTHETICAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl vs. USC
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Capital One vs. UGA
Michigan 5-3 (9-3) - Outback vs. USC
Michigan State 5-3 (8-4) - Alamo vs. Missouri
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - ChampsSports vs. FSU
Northwestern 4-4 (8-4) - Insight vs. Kansas
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - Motor City vs. MAC
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - CrappyBowls'R'Us.com Bowl
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 1-7 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Suddenly, the B10 has a lot of favorable match-ups. The bottom line in this hypothetical.....

The B10 sucked in bowls this year as a result of (in addition to it not being a particularly strong conference this year):
A. Ohio State getting a BCS bid because of it's success and passionate fan base
B. Michigan sucking big, floppy donkey dick

Now who can argue with that?
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Michigan fans should worry about Western Michigan before anything else IMO

with how their defense looks to be going this season and a twig freshmen possibly starting at QB, no game (except Delaware State) is a gimme for them
 
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ginn421;1447525; said:
So, you're really taking shots at Pryor after your team's QB performance last year? Really?!

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Nope, was just asking if anyone was worried about his mechanics? No one here seems to be. I know some osu fans down here in Florida, and they've all expressed an uncertainty over his throwing. That's fine if you guys feel that way, there's nothing wrong with that. If I was an osu fan, I'd almost rather see TP being used in a Percy Harvin type roll. Get yourself a qb that can throw, but get the ball to TP throw the air and on some runs. But, if you guys are certain he is a qb, that's fine.
 
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