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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

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Keep digging blueinfla.

Sarcastically throwing out jabs about things you clearly don't understand (OSU's recruitment of Gardner), using backhanded slaps at Pryor to prove Gardner is ready to play, etc.

This clearly is going to end well for you.
 
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jwinslow;1447329; said:
Keep digging blueinfla.

Sarcastically throwing out jabs about things you clearly don't understand (OSU's recruitment of Gardner), using backhanded slaps at Pryor to prove Gardner is ready to play, etc.

This clearly is going to end well for you.
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No sarcasm about Gardner's recruitment just an honest question. Where was I trying to prove Gardner is ready to play? I believe he is a project. I don't expect much out of him for a couple years. I'm more excited about Tate and Denard than Gardner.
 
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NFBuck;1447328; said:
So are you one of those scUM fans that didn't want Pryor the moment he committed to tOSU? Sure seems like it. You're digging quite a hole for yourself. Is this Sniper?
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No, I would have been really happy to get TP. He is a tremendous athlete. He was have been great in RR offense. But, he wants to get developed into a passer I guess. I hope he does well, I really do (obviously except one day a year). It'll be good for the Big10.
 
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Let me be clear that disagreeing strongly is not against the rules here. HailToMichigan has made a living out of it, during the RR controversies no less. You don't have to suck up either, HTM isn't one to do that either. You just have to reailze where you are, and not toss out little attacks along the way.
No sarcasm about Gardner's recruitment just an honest question. Where was I trying to prove Gardner is ready to play? I believe he is a project. I don't expect much out of him for a couple years. I'm more excited about Tate and Denard than Gardner.
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Then what are you arguing about? Why the shock and amazement over OSU not offering Gardner? Sounds like you agree with their assessment.
 
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jwinslow;1447334; said:
Then what are you arguing about? Why the shock and amazement over OSU not offering Gardner? Sounds like you agree with their assessment.
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If Gardner had gone to osu, he would have had two years before he had to see the field. You think he's a bigger project than two years? I guess this is assuming TP is at osu for 4 years, but that depends on how he develops as a passer.
 
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blueinfla said:
I don't expect much out of him for a couple years.
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2011 is precisely what they're worried about.
I guess this is assuming TP is at osu for 4 years, but that depends on how he develops as a passer.
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You can't make that assumption with a talent like TP. You've got to prepare for the possibility that he goes pro.

Then you're stuck with two projects (Guiton, Gardner) and a true freshman in Braxton Miller.
 
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blueinfla;1447336; said:
If Gardner had gone to osu, he would have had two years before he had to see the field. You think he's a bigger project than two years? I guess this is assuming TP is at osu for 4 years, but that depends on how he develops as a passer.
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Right now, most are operating on the assumption Pryor is a three year player. Braxton Miller in '11 may have a lot to do with the lack of a Gardner offer as well.
 
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I'm glad that douche is in AA...shit I wish our Athletic Department/Boosters would pay WVU off. I love RR...I hope he stays a long time. It's obvious he used to coaching JV. Yes, the BE is JV compared to the B10.

What cracks me up about this guy is he really hasn't done shit in coaching and they make him out to be a god. IMO he sucks as a coach. He didn't do shit at WVU until BC, Miami, and VT left...it also took one of the greatest QB's to ever play CFB to even get him 10 wins in a season...he is 4-3 against Pitt...If he thinks that is a rivalry he don't know shit. It takes alot more than putting OSU stickers on tackling dummies to get the rivalry. He doesn't care about defense...he thinks he can win the B10 without it.

We had our Cooper and now you have yours...BIG FUCKING MISTAKE HIRING SOMEONE OUT OF THE FAMILY. The best part is when he loses his job after 2010 the guy you hire will have an empty cupboard on defense and will have to recruit pro-style offensive players...my money is they hire Harbaugh or Miles...hopefully miles...I never seen someone do less with more.

I love his recruiting tactics. I hope he gets verbals from 2-3 offensive players this weekend. I hope he takes 2-3 QB's this year. I hope he takes another 3-4 WR's and RB's. It is obvious that Michigan is gonna suck on defense. The lack of depth is undeniable...freakin walk-ons(multiple)could make up your 2-deep defense.

Michigan fans get wet over hearing about Tate. I read his little interview where he says the speed hasn't been that much faster...maybe at Michigan kid but you better get ready for a real game. Not every defender is gonna whiff tackles like sucksomuch.

Me I'm a RR believer myself...I believe he is gonna hurt Michigan for a longtime. Hopefully his hiring hurts Michigans program up for 10+ years...the guy had such an ego that instead of slowly changing the offense he scared all of Carrs players away and gambled...he lost big time. If he had ran a semi-pro style offense with Mallett last year you guys would have won 8 games. Now your in a situation where you will probably not make a bowl 2 years straight and lose to your 3 biggest rivals back to back years.

What Michigan fans don't realize is Tressel has given the blue-print on beating Michigan...keep the top Ohio kids. Better hope Shiano doesn't replace JoePa because he will bring PSU back and will lock out Michigan in PA. When Dantonio was hired at MSU I smiled because I knew he would be a thorn in Michigans ass. What if Urban Meyer takes over ND after this season When Jabba gets fired...IMO he leaves Florida after Tebow Graduates. Thats alot of Big Dogs to recruit against...looks like you'll definately have to look south for MAC level talent.

What I love is we are dominating you, ND will beat you this year, and now MSU can actually say they have a rivalry with you again. Your three biggest rivals could beat you 2 consequetive seasons...has that ever happened before? Watch out Michigan.

I LOVE THAT RR GUY!! Keep him around...please!!
 
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NFBuck;1447338; said:
Right now, most are operating on the assumption Pryor is a three year player. Braxton Miller in '11 may have a lot to do with the lack of a Gardner offer as well.
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Ahhhhh, I gotcha. So, Montana is kind of the "buffer" prospect? More of a passing QB to get osu by while Miller is developed?
 
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The funny part is most UM fans assumed Tajh Boyd might keep Gardner from becoming a buckeye. In fact, had his assurances been genuine and signed with OSU, Gardner would have likely received his offer long ago.
blueinfla;1447340; said:
Ahhhhh, I gotcha. So, Montana is kind of the "buffer" prospect? More of a passing QB to get osu by while Miller is developed?
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I think it's more accurate to say Montana is being recruited because he will be more ready to start (than Gardner) in year 2. Braxton Miller has the ability to come in and start very early, but you can't make an assumption like that for a true freshman.
 
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blueinfla;1447327; said:
Honestly, that's your answer? The reason he can get away with bad mechanics is because of his legs. His receivers are SO wide open, floating ducks become completions.
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Honestly, yes. There's a very obvious distinction between a liability and an asset. Would I say his passing ability is a major asset right now? Probably not. Is it a liability? No, not by any means.

Moreover, if you had actually watched any of the games you'd realize that he has made at least as many tight throws as he has made long ducks (if not more). I don't think you're this stupid - there's plenty of criticism to level at Pryor, but you're picking the wrong things to gripe about.
 
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blueinfla;1447340; said:
Ahhhhh, I gotcha. So, Montana is kind of the "buffer" prospect? More of a passing QB to get osu by while Miller is developed?
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If by "getting by" you mean dominating the Big Ten, kicking the shit out of Michigan every year, and challenging for National Championships, then yes, we will be "getting by" with Montana as we wait for Miller to develop.
 
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